(;CA[utf-8]RU[AGA]OT[10x60 byo-yomi]GM[1]FF[4]C[zchen [8d\]\: hi sedgwick [4d?\]\: hi sedgwick [4d?\]\: Have fun\:0 zchen [8d\]\: thanks you too, ] AP[CGoban:3]SZ[19]ST[2]GN[2nd US-Canada Team Tournament, Game 10]EV[The Second US-Canada Team Go Tournament] DT[2009-07-12]PC[The KGS Go Server at http\://www.gokgs.com/]PB[Michael Chen]BR[8d] PW[James Sedgwick]KM[7.5]TM[3600]RE[B+Resign]SO[http\://www.bostongo.org/2nd_Canada.htm] MULTIGOGM[1] ;B[pd]BL[3552.34];W[dp]WL[3589.76];B[qp]BL[3538.44];W[op]WL[3574.06];B[cd]BL[3505.48] ;W[ec]WL[3533.23];B[oq]BL[3491.97];W[nq]WL[3515.2];B[pq]BL[3461.98]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: iz michael in a zombi movie? Javaness [2d\]\: was Norman an insei for a while? ] ;W[cf]WL[3465.14]C[MrShintou [5d\]\: no lol MssrBlanc [3k\]\: norman? Shana [2d\]\: whos norman ] ;B[de]BL[3387.04];W[df]WL[3461.39];B[fe]BL[3371.37]C[Hyoga [4k\]\: black's avatar \: i'm so high ] ;W[ef]WL[3455.57]C[Javaness [2d\]\: oh i'm thinking of norman chadwick ];B[ee]BL[3358.26] ;W[hc]WL[3450.59]C[seppy [5k?\]\: is w norman? sdadadd\: noà au2 [2d\]\: no, James sdadadd\: its James ] ;B[dc]BL[3320.29]C[Sephi [?\]\: james ? sdadadd\: sedwick... gyokuro [4k\]\: is this part of the canada - usa tournament? au2 [2d\]\: yes Javaness [2d\]\: of course ] ;W[eb]WL[3412.31]C[Shana [2d\]\: whats the score now? i forgot gyokuro [4k\]\: oh, the room indicates it^^ ] ;B[db]BL[3303.44]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: James Sedgwick. Tasky [4k\]\: 6\:3 I think ] ;W[kc]WL[3393.61]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: online tourney? Elegie [-\]\: Against Boston bin tried E18 instead of D17 - it looked quite interesting ] ;B[np]BL[3287.83]C[miao [5d\]\: e18 is hsape move miao [5d\]\: with wall ];W[qj] WL[3328.59]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: so zchen is from the us? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: or the other way around Uberdude [2d?\]\: black is already winning WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: Canada Tasky [4k\]\: zchen is USA Hyoga [4k\]\: i prefer white right now gyokuro [4k\]\: sedgwick is canadian 6d, fighting for the us of course Shana [2d\]\: black's position looks more solid to me ] ;B[di]BL[3230.43]C[nhanh [1d\]\: d11 looks key Starwyvern [10k?\]\: putting his thickness to use Uberdude [2d?\]\: e18 should b17 ? WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: sorry, zchen is from the USA. Uberdude [2d?\]\: i know the joseki b has exchange g16 for g17 Uberdude [2d?\]\: wonder what diff that makes Sandmann [-\]\: what kind of dialect is "d11 looks key"? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: i thought he was going to do that uber Hyoga [4k\]\: keypoint Javaness [2d\]\: d11 looks key is normal english actually Starwyvern [10k?\]\: doesn't wanna solidity white i guess Sandmann [-\]\: oh i see GoRival [4k\]\: woot...go james Sandmann [-\]\: never heard it ] ;W[ck]WL[3209.32]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: i think maybe niinstead og g17 he is afraid of some clever answer like g18? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: how is g18 clever? Hyoga [4k\]\: sacrifice ? ToDie [2d\]\: no mgoetze [2d\]\: not all sacrifices are automatically clever ToDie [2d\]\: too big to sacrifice ] ;B[dk]BL[3154.49]C[Javaness [2d\]\: I see white won the 6dan division at the US Open gyokuro [4k\]\: why is a candian 6d only 4d on kgs Starwyvern [10k?\]\: maybe he doesn't play much Hyoga [4k\]\: it's [4d?\] ] ;W[dl]WL[3162.22]C[gyokuro [4k\]\: his rank graph... looks like a stable 4d mgoetze [2d\]\: why do people keep thinking ?-ranks are relevant? Uberdude [2d?\]\: maybe he is kgs 4d strength ] ;B[ek]BL[3130.16]C[gyokuro [4k\]\: im looking behind the "?" Hyoga [4k\]\: so he is screwed xD ] ;W[cj]WL[3144.51];B[ci]BL[3124.12];W[gg]WL[3122.25]C[gyokuro [4k\]\: and he lost few times against 3ds, goetze Warfreak2 [5d\]\: his rank graph doesn't look very much like a stable 4d Warfreak2 [5d\]\: it has very large jumps on the days he has played games Warfreak2 [5d\]\: all the other movement is only drift ] ;B[ig]BL[3065.89]C[Javaness [2d\]\: canada's last player was 9kyu gyokuro [4k\]\: but most of the time its 4d.,, Warfreak2 [5d\]\: so? Warfreak2 [5d\]\: because it drifts around in the 4d range, while he plays no games gyokuro [4k\]\: seems that his rating as 4d is correct on kgs Javaness [2d\]\: maybe he doesn't play very seriously on the internet Warfreak2 [5d\]\: no it doesn't nhanh [1d\]\: so w won't have a chance? iaznab [-\]\: gyokuro, he has played very few games, so his rating is not solidified Uberdude [2d?\]\: j13 is sexy iaznab [-\]\: which is why he still has a ? next to his rating evanj [2d\]\: j13 is beautiful Starwyvern [10k?\]\: set up cut? Warfreak2 [5d\]\: rowurboat's rank graph is mostly in the 3d range Javaness [2d\]\: I hope you don't have a girlfriend uberdude Warfreak2 [5d\]\: you want to tell me he's solid 3 dan Hyoga [4k\]\: G11 maybe evanj [2d\]\: J13 is his girlfriend Sandmann [-\]\: b can play b11 to aim at c8 and f14 if needed ] ;W[eh]WL[3017.98]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: f14 is crude Tasky [4k\]\: but b must still fear d10 cut Uberdude [2d?\]\: b might c8? Uberdude [2d?\]\: or that helps w too much ToDie [2d\]\: i like c8 here ToDie [2d\]\: prepares attack Hyoga [4k\]\: c8 now ? Sandmann [-\]\: b c8 not very likely considering his 8d ] ;B[ei]BL[2958.29]C[evanj [2d\]\: solid gyokuro [4k\]\: lets agree on that\: if he wins he is surely better than 4d evanj [2d\]\: confident bigben79 [6d?\]\: c8 loses too much points ] ;W[gi]WL[2990.54]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: i see, thanks ben ];B[gk]BL[2937.73]C[bigben79 [6d?\]\: np uberdude Shana [2d\]\: i wonder if bigben's name is ben... Hyoga [4k\]\: it(s big actually mcw85 [8k\]\: Maybe it is Big. ] ;W[ih]WL[2948.42]C[Javaness [2d\]\: He Big mcw85 [8k\]\: You Java. Uberdude [2d?\]\: oh, you moved to canada? bigben79 [6d?\]\: ye. yesterday ] ;B[jh]BL[2906.42];W[ii]WL[2945.36];B[hg]BL[2905.22];W[hh]WL[2941.61]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: Welcome to Canada,ben. Javaness [2d\]\: I heard Canada was a wild lawless country evanj [2d\]\: stay warm evanj [2d\]\: eh bigben79 [6d?\]\: ty macha ] ;B[gf]BL[2878.21];W[ff]WL[2938.05]C[WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: on the contrary, Java. dooku [11k\]\: just like russia PogoGo [3k\]\: I heard Canada was wild, flawless country ] ;B[jg]BL[2851.28]C[CIHS [?\]\: whered you hear that? capamagna [7k\]\: where is canada? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: the middle-east WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: Very different from Russia. gyokuro [4k\]\: doesnt this look quite good for white Starwyvern [10k?\]\: good shape but no points Javaness [2d\]\: theCaptain told me >.> Shana [2d\]\: lol bigben79 [6d?\]\: my only impression so far is walmart and cheap goods Uberdude [2d?\]\: b wants to get d6 ? fffanka [3d\]\: capa\: you can see it from russia ;D CIHS [?\]\: good enough for me, java ] ;W[cp]WL[2865.23]C[gyokuro [4k\]\: too slow? Shana [2d\]\: its huge gyokuro [4k\]\: huge, but slow? Shana [2d\]\: ... ] ;B[mc]BL[2822.65]C[fffanka [3d\]\: bad shape imo Lynx [2d\]\: does feel slow imo kacago22 [5k\]\: who is canada b or w? evanj [2d\]\: like a canadian bear Lynx [2d\]\: B is glad to get a point like f3 fffanka [3d\]\: w evanj [2d\]\: canada is snow-colored capamagna [7k\]\: I see fffanka, so everyone in canada is qualified to make american foreign policy gyokuro [4k\]\: r14 woudl have been better? fffanka [3d\]\: ???? ] ;W[qg]WL[2819.42]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: sets up moyo i would think Javaness [2d\]\: white doesn't trust black Starwyvern [10k?\]\: or gets koinz Shana [2d\]\: if i were b i would play n4 Shana [2d\]\: but im not Shana [2d\]\: xD capamagna [7k\]\: nm its a palin thing evanj [2d\]\: but then you'd be 8d, and you'd think of a better move \:D fffanka [3d\]\: i only followed up on so much (hence my comment \:P) iaznab [-\]\: hmm h17 w stones will come under heavy fire now I think ] ;B[jb]BL[2757.58]C[evanj [2d\]\: k18 followed by h18? evanj [2d\]\: oh, there it is gyokuro [4k\]\: ur right Shana [2d\]\: heavy fire=huh? Javaness [2d\]\: the fun starts evanj [2d\]\: next move for b = T15 Hyoga [4k\]\: T15 ?? evanj [2d\]\: or G19 Shana [2d\]\: y t15? if anything then r15 WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: haha Shana [2d\]\: lets predict w's next move dooku [11k\]\: k17 ToDie [2d\]\: l18 Starwyvern [10k?\]\: im also ddk so k17 evanj [2d\]\: L18 H18? Shana [2d\]\: any other guesses? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: g15? evanj [2d\]\: I really don' tsee a good move for w Hyoga [4k\]\: tenuki ;\:\:D ] ;W[ge]WL[2696.61]C[dooku [11k\]\: or g15 ];B[hf]BL[2753.17]C[Shana [2d\]\: and the ddk gets it ] ;W[jc]WL[2695.3]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: count it Shana [2d\]\: both of em evanj [2d\]\: kikashi first, then k17... hm Javaness [2d\]\: I like to see a high dan loosing an atari evanj [2d\]\: we'll see what g15 does ] ;B[kb]BL[2733.34];W[ib]WL[2694.06];B[lc]BL[2729.18]C[danigabi [6d\]\: it would take black at least 2 moves to capture g15 danigabi [6d\]\: but only 1 move to defend both cutting points Shana [2d\]\: ooh b's center is cut off Starwyvern [10k?\]\: ooh danigabi [6d\]\: w really uncomfortable Tasky [4k\]\: l15 ? evanj [2d\]\: how to take advantage of that, though? L15 seems weak ] ;W[ke]WL[2633.59]C[Shana [2d\]\: haha evanj [2d\]\: hm Tasky [4k\]\: haha Hyoga [4k\]\: hoho evanj [2d\]\: ok, ok \:D Shana [2d\]\: its funny how 2ds get pwned Starwyvern [10k?\]\: j16 invert [8k\]\: hyhy bigben79 [6d?\]\: this is 2 bad for w. w should play L18 and go for the fight at any cost Shana [2d\]\: yes im aware im 2d evanj [2d\]\: still don't like it, though. ] ;B[gd]BL[2690.5]C[Javaness [2d\]\: much suffering Shana [2d\]\: its like pretty much the only move for running out tho Hyoga [4k\]\: j15 evanj [2d\]\: that doesn't mean i have to like it evanj [2d\]\: you'll see, L15 will be losing move \:D ] ;W[ld]WL[2577.13]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: shit i gotta go eat in a few min Shana [2d\]\: i would say c4 is losing move evanj [2d\]\: m14? Javaness [2d\]\: J16? ] ;B[qe]BL[2655.44]C[evanj [2d\]\: nope. iaznab [-\]\: I don't think w is going to lose \:P Javaness [2d\]\: sniffle evanj [2d\]\: man, i'm on a roll. Shana [2d\]\: oh and i said this earlier lol Hyoga [4k\]\: j15 ! Javaness [2d\]\: O15 evanj [2d\]\: j15 too slow? ] ;W[qc]WL[2518.72]C[CBlue [1k\]\: n4 Shana [2d\]\: ooh CBlue [1k\]\: pft ];B[pc] BL[2650.02]C[evanj [2d\]\: ! Lynx [2d\]\: n4 not good style, Cblue Lynx [2d\]\: I believe N3 is correct locally ] ;W[qm]WL[2509.26]C[CBlue [1k\]\: aw Ibicus [1k\]\: j15 looks like thank you movr evanj [2d\]\: ok, I can live with R7 Shana [2d\]\: cmon... play da stinkin n4 already Starwyvern [10k?\]\: w loves those 2 point extensions Shana [2d\]\: well maybe not kacago22 [5k\]\: b won 12 past games in a row kacago22 [5k\]\: this is the lucky 13 ] ;B[mq]BL[2608.8]C[Shana [2d\]\: ok n3 i was wrong Shana [2d\]\: lol Tasky [4k\]\: no, no 12 games evanj [2d\]\: h3? Tasky [4k\]\: he lost to wintogo Shana [2d\]\: isnt 13 a really unlucky number Uberdude [2d?\]\: grip the stone says kageyama ] ;W[hp]WL[2476.28];B[cl]BL[2595.76]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: h4 is vague nonsense? Starwyvern [10k?\]\: no number is lucky or unlucky, but historically 13 is bad luck Warfreak2 [5d\]\: "historically" Warfreak2 [5d\]\: hahaha kacago22 [5k\]\: time for kanata evanj [2d\]\: i like the question mark, uberdude evanj [2d\]\: like\: "W's move totally sucked?" Tasky [4k\]\: 13 is my lucky number ] ;W[bl]WL[2437.3];B[cm]BL[2592.88]C[Hyoga [4k\]\: noes ];W[bm]WL[2436.13]C[Shana [2d\]\: 3 is my lucky number \:p ] ;B[cn]BL[2579.65]C[Javaness [2d\]\: I don't feel white can win now evanj [2d\]\: still don't like H$ evanj [2d\]\: H4 i mean aStefan [8k\]\: w+pi? Shana [2d\]\: c4 is still losing move Shana [2d\]\: \:p Lynx [2d\]\: W is lagging on points evanj [2d\]\: no, it's L15 \:D ] ;W[bn]WL[2378]C[kacago22 [5k\]\: some templars got killed on friday the 13th in the past ] ;B[em]BL[2570.88]C[Tasky [4k\]\: w+e^(i*pi) evanj [2d\]\: now H4 seems wasted Shana [2d\]\: c4 came first, so if he lost before he played l15 then l15 cant possibly be losing move Uberdude [2d?\]\: well, i think it totally sucks =) iaznab [-\]\: L3? Hyoga [4k\]\: Troll mode \: chicken move Uberdude [2d?\]\: why b8 and not capture the stones? ] ;W[gm]WL[2326.46]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: lol Shana [2d\]\: uber, he didnt want to be overconcentrated or something Uberdude [2d?\]\: he doesn't want b to get d10 sente? evanj [2d\]\: maybe he thought c7 gives b too many forcing moves? samlai2357 [2k\]\: why not black c7 eat instead? Uberdude [2d?\]\: bwho cares forcing moves samlai2357 [2k\]\: w c7 eat ] ;B[gj]BL[2531.68]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: b got the same forcing moves here Uberdude [2d?\]\: plus points evanj [2d\]\: i care Uberdude [2d?\]\: and w lost points Javaness [2d\]\: L3? Shana [2d\]\: this is worse than forcing moves, it gives b an aye plus thickness(maybe) seppy [5k?\]\: i dont understand g7 Uberdude [2d?\]\: the whole point of b8 is to stop d10 sente evanj [2d\]\: me neither, g7 seems vague, attacking a solid group Shana [2d\]\: lol did i spell eye wring Uberdude [2d?\]\: but who cares d10 sente Uberdude [2d?\]\: as bamboo already evanj [2d\]\: aye! ] ;W[re]WL[2283.21];B[rd]BL[2521.43];W[rf]WL[2280.55]C[evanj [2d\]\: yes, shana, you spelled eye wring ] ;B[rc]BL[2505.46]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: and yes if capture b gets outside squeeze Shana [2d\]\: \:) Uberdude [2d?\]\: but here he got eye Uberdude [2d?\]\: c7 b8 b7 d7 e8 f8 e7 f7 e6 Shana [2d\]\: i need a new keyboard Uberdude [2d?\]\: w gets points Shana [2d\]\: this one doesnt listen to me evanj [2d\]\: geez, dude, this is really upsetting you isn't it Hyoga [4k\]\: L3 ] ;W[jq]WL[2234.57]C[Tasky [4k\]\: almost Shana [2d\]\: l3 too far Hyoga [4k\]\: seems so Uberdude [2d?\]\: f4 roflcopter evanj [2d\]\: roflcopter? dogbert [2d\]\: 凌波微步 WoolyMaCha [5k\]\: haha Shana [2d\]\: ahh tiny chinese words Shana [2d\]\: i cant see evanj [2d\]\: what on earth is "roflcopter"? ] ;B[fp]BL[2434.46]C[Hyoga [4k\]\: googlez it \:D Javaness [2d\]\: black is very mean Javaness [2d\]\: F5 Uberdude [2d?\]\: black likes the rofl evanj [2d\]\: man, I didn't understand a word of the urbandictionary.com entry on "roflcopter" calgary5d [6d?\]\: b wants a solid win Uberdude [2d?\]\: roflcopter is an internet meme evanj [2d\]\: I must be getting old Uberdude [2d?\]\: it seems b agress with me that n4 was nonsense ] ;W[fo]WL[2136.11]C[Shana [2d\]\: lies Javaness [2d\]\: N4? Uberdude [2d?\]\: sorry h4 ] ;B[eo]BL[2420.66];W[fn]WL[2133.61];B[fg]BL[2407.17]C[evanj [2d\]\: don't forget "vague" ] ;W[gh]WL[2127.11]C[Javaness [2d\]\: white does not believe black's evil ways Shana [2d\]\: what evil ways? i wanna learn Javaness [2d\]\: here comes the night ] ;B[ep]BL[2380.66]C[evanj [2d\]\: what is f13 about? Rythmic [7k\]\: so whos in front? evanj [2d\]\: sente eye from f11 later? Javaness [2d\]\: F13 is pointing out that if black nets outside white doesn't have 2 eyes dogbert [2d\]\: pussshhh Hyoga [4k\]\: E6 dont work ? ] ;W[dn]WL[2089.07];B[en]BL[2373.48];W[dm]WL[2085.7];B[el]BL[2370.62]C[Shana [2d\]\: oh em gee ] ;W[do]WL[2079.77]C[Javaness [2d\]\: this is awful Londo [5d\]\: terrible \:( evanj [2d\]\: no it's not, it's awesome Timshel [1k\]\: why not just e6 before dogbert [2d\]\: for whom Shana [2d\]\: something is bound to die... something Javaness [2d\]\: who is up next for Canada? Rythmic [7k\]\: noone Hyoga [4k\]\: H4 weak Rythmic [7k\]\: seg will wipe Javaness [2d\]\: who is managing their side? Londo [5d\]\: E6 is not much better ] ;B[gp]BL[2329.08]C[MChow [7k\]\: who is winning ];W[ho]WL[2069.07];B[hq]BL[2326.76] ;W[iq]WL[2065.14];B[hr]BL[2325.09]C[MChow [7k\]\: who is in the lead? easytokill [1d\]\: zchen is in american team? Timshel [1k\]\: yea ] ;W[he]WL[2046.37];B[hd]BL[2310.72]C[leger [1d\]\: in the room where this game is played, it's written that canada leads 6-3 ] ;W[ie]WL[2043.12];B[id]BL[2309.12];W[jd]WL[2041.02]C[iaznab [-\]\: wow this is hardcore ] ;B[ic]BL[2303.45]C[easytokill [1d\]\: Canadians are stronger in go? evanj [2d\]\: massive destruction calgary5d [6d?\]\: over Rythmic [7k\]\: w wanted to cut that bad... Shana [2d\]\: no, zchen will pwn all canadians Javaness [2d\]\: bah, tigergong would have beaten zchen Londo [5d\]\: w is in tilt nhanh [1d\]\: isnt it ko? iaznab [-\]\: nope Timshel [1k\]\: how pwnz0r [1k\]\: come on, even I saw that coming. what was w thinking Hyoga [4k\]\: missread ? dogbert [2d\]\: man Madarame [2d\]\: its always ko.. dogbert [2d\]\: at lead w should K19 first dogbert [2d\]\: at least ] ;W[lg]WL[1963.51]C[evanj [2d\]\: can't be a misread, no, just a gamble ];B[lh]BL[2295.41] C[Shana [2d\]\: w must do something bad to b's center group or its over Timshel [1k\]\: o yea it is ko ] ;W[kg]WL[1958.63]C[evanj [2d\]\: big big big big big big gamble ];B[jf]BL[2287.69] ;W[je]WL[1955.12];B[kh]BL[2285.71]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: what ko mada? evanj [2d\]\: the kind of gamble one doesn't like ot have to make against an 8d \:X ] ;W[no]WL[1924.03]C[Madarame [2d\]\: theres no ko ];B[mp]BL[2281.28]C[dogbert [2d\]\: ??? Rythmic [7k\]\: thought so Timshel [1k\]\: with k19 there is Timshel [1k\]\: isnt ther? leger [1d\]\: no leger [1d\]\: no ko Timshel [1k\]\: o wait nvm dogbert [2d\]\: why w waste ko threats ] ;W[ng]WL[1900.58]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: ?? k19 -> f16 Rythmic [7k\]\: oh no Rythmic [7k\]\: lol leger [1d\]\: k19 m18 , white doesn't get ko bobo [6k\]\: he is building strenth to attack l12 Javaness [2d\]\: K10 for the kill? ] ;B[mh]BL[2255.41];W[nd]WL[1887.5];B[mg]BL[2245.48];W[mf]WL[1885.25]C[leger [1d\]\: j3 is weak, could die anytime ] ;B[nf]BL[2235.36]C[dogbert [2d\]\: abandon ship evanj [2d\]\: now what bobo [6k\]\: thid d would be a huge upset evanj [2d\]\: o16 was bad ljglg\: sedgewick will lose bobo [6k\]\: 4 stones stronger losing with black bobo [6k\]\: would be wild dogbert [2d\]\: tough fight against kgs8d for sure ] ;W[me]WL[1836.17];B[of]BL[2227.87]C[evanj [2d\]\: bobo\: they aren't actually that far apart ljglg\: sedgewick is canadian 6d-7d? ] ;W[gb]WL[1825.61]C[bobo [6k\]\: ahh ic bobo [6k\]\: makes sense seeing the game ] ;B[fd]BL[2208.07]C[dogbert [2d\]\: no it even ko dogbert [2d\]\: not even ko Hyoga [4k\]\: O17 Looksee [4k\]\: O17 Uberdude [2d?\]\: what is g18 ? Rythmic [7k\]\: l14... Uberdude [2d?\]\: "maybe he doesn't realise it is sente" evanj [2d\]\: haha ] ;W[nc]WL[1775.33];B[nb]BL[2200.49];W[ob]WL[1766.11]C[Hyoga [4k\]\: nice looksee \:) ] ;B[mb]BL[2195.96];W[oc]WL[1756.51]C[evanj [2d\]\: can't b cut at N16? ];B[la]BL[2187.42] C[evanj [2d\]\: oh, i see evanj [2d\]\: that's why g18 Javaness [2d\]\: R18 Rythmic [7k\]\: ?? Uberdude [2d?\]\: or p13 Rythmic [7k\]\: why evan? MChow [7k\]\: w not alive (yet) Shana [2d\]\: w's plan totally fails Looksee [4k\]\: K19. evanj [2d\]\: ryth\: so b has to come back to m19, otherwise he can cut w apart leger [1d\]\: q18 Rythmic [7k\]\: ok ] ;W[qb]WL[1697.92]C[evanj [2d\]\: (I think...) Rythmic [7k\]\: makes sense ];B[pb] BL[2179.44]C[Shana [2d\]\: even if this lives b will kill something in center probably evanj [2d\]\: thank you ] ;W[pa]WL[1695.18]C[evanj [2d\]\: doesn't mean it's right \:) ];B[rb]BL[2170.49] C[MChow [7k\]\: l14 kills w group Looksee [4k\]\: P13 Javaness [2d\]\: live evanj [2d\]\: at some point w has to come back Rythmic [7k\]\: p12 leger [1d\]\: l14, not much of a choice here Flesk [1k\]\: P13 if anything Hyoga [4k\]\: p13 Rythmic [7k\]\: p13... q13 Rythmic [7k\]\: fail Hyoga [4k\]\: no Flesk [1k\]\: then Q12 Hyoga [4k\]\: Q14 bobo [6k\]\: p13 q13 p12 dogbert [2d\]\: w should k19 long time ago if he planned to drag that stone out Flesk [1k\]\: or Q14 ^^ wwayne2009\: q14 DRhazar [1d\]\: p19 sente for white dogbert [2d\]\: now live is gote Javaness [2d\]\: live is sente bobo [6k\]\: nice little problem ljglg\: gotesente evanj [2d\]\: maybe it's both evanj [2d\]\: don't see how w doesn't need to spend a move inside ] ;W[pf]WL[1550.62]C[Javaness [2d\]\: H o t ];B[og]BL[2153.06]C[Looksee [4k\]\: Good move! Rythmic [7k\]\: if he can kill corner fast enough is the only way cirno [-\]\: W b16 is pretty neat once he lives. ] ;W[pe]WL[1529.04]C[MChow [7k\]\: a sente has a gote in it, a gote has a sente in it ] ;B[ra]BL[2138.96];W[qa]WL[1513.15]C[Looksee [4k\]\: O19 R19 leger [1d\]\: wow.. black messed up leger [1d\]\: o18 or q16 die dogbert [2d\]\: 5 lib against 4? katsumi [-\]\: b wins ljglg\: omg bobo [6k\]\: didt p115 qlso kill ? Javaness [2d\]\: black is a kitten with a spider bobo [6k\]\: p 15 * ] ;B[kf]BL[2098.69]C[whistorm [?\]\: white is wining. dogbert [2d\]\: ? evanj [2d\]\: now we see it all go down xDragon [18k\]\: whats actual rank of w? wwayne2009\: b lost the corner, but w lost the game bobo [6k\]\: i mean p 16 Uberdude [2d?\]\: w can p15 Looksee [4k\]\: N16 leger [1d\]\: white is 4d here on kgs, 6d when he enters canadian tournaments xDragon [18k\]\: jus saw profile dogbert [2d\]\: greedy b Rythmic [7k\]\: w wins local fight no? next issue middle wwayne2009\: o19 Uberdude [2d?\]\: iw w p19 sente for o19 or not enough libs DocWario [2k\]\: someone knows why the 4d is white ? ljglg\: b wins? Looksee [4k\]\: M15 evanj [2d\]\: doc\: because he's not actually 4d Uberdude [2d?\]\: doc, because it is not a handicap tournament Starwyvern [10k?\]\: he's like 6d but it's a tournament Starwyvern [10k?\]\: so maybe its random leger [1d\]\: p15 looks good here DocWario [2k\]\: oki thx Rythmic [7k\]\: it's an even game for the Us-Canada tournament Tasky [4k\]\: not random ] ;W[oe]WL[1375.47]C[Tasky [4k\]\: USA and Canada alternate for b/w Timshel [1k\]\: o15 calgary5d [6d?\]\: trade MChow [7k\]\: r15 Flesk [1k\]\: yea trade leger [1d\]\: aref, but k15 dies i think gust [-\]\: haha Flesk [1k\]\: white got corner ;O MChow [7k\]\: r16 dib [2k\]\: o15 n16, b cant p16 ] ;B[lf]BL[2050.05]C[Timshel [1k\]\: yea but b gets to take those 4 stones Looksee [4k\]\: H19 dogbert [2d\]\: o15 whistorm [?\]\: ????? MChow [7k\]\: r16 Rythmic [7k\]\: n16 Flesk [1k\]\: M15 Ibicus [1k\]\: p12 evanj [2d\]\: what the hell ljglg\: bad trade? MChow [7k\]\: r16 works, doesn't it for b Tasky [4k\]\: n16 ? whistorm [?\]\: n16 then? wwayne2009\: o12 ] ;W[ne]WL[1316.23]C[alvar [8k\]\: but for w not \:) whistorm [?\]\: ? ];B[jo]BL[2036.53] C[MChow [7k\]\: r16 for b Javaness [2d\]\: Here comes the night whistorm [?\]\: black should r16 MChow [7k\]\: no evanj [2d\]\: man I don't get that at all ToDie [2d\]\: r16 p19 and then? bobo [6k\]\: j 7 ? whistorm [?\]\: n16 ljglg\: go us evanj [2d\]\: can someone explain why B didn't just hand W 20 points?! bobo [6k\]\: j 5 ? Rythmic [7k\]\: cuz it was his ljglg\: compensation ToDie [2d\]\: then m15 ... bobo [6k\]\: 4 ui mean Looksee [4k\]\: because he's not 4d. dogbert [2d\]\: politeness ] ;W[jn]WL[1234.03]C[whistorm [?\]\: theno15 Rythmic [7k\]\: w corner been dead for a while, dont see the crysis whistorm [?\]\: white is dead. leger [1d\]\: the game is closer now, black by 5-6 points and whatever this attack kills Uberdude [2d?\]\: k10 or so splitting attack Rythmic [7k\]\: b corner* whistorm [?\]\: if play like that ToDie [2d\]\: are we talking about the same game? whistorm [?\]\: yes Javaness [2d\]\: strategically white is completely lost LogicWind [3k\]\: no way bobo [6k\]\: seems like alot of play left ToDie [2d\]\: you mean before m14 or when? ] ;B[kn]BL[1964.35]C[LogicWind [3k\]\: territorial, black has advantage if he doesn't live whistorm [?\]\: before m14 LogicWind [3k\]\: *ly whistorm [?\]\: should r16 Rythmic [7k\]\: l12 can become weak Javaness [2d\]\: the splitting attack is too nasty RyutanAA [4k\]\: b dead ToDie [2d\]\: then r16 p19 n16 o15 MChow [7k\]\: yes, whistorm is right ] ;W[ko]WL[1195.37]C[Timshel [1k\]\: r16 doesnt do anything ];B[kp]BL[1950.44];W[lo] WL[1192.92];B[in]BL[1948.28]C[MChow [7k\]\: now it doesn't Tasky [4k\]\: r16 gote dead ] ;W[jm]WL[1191.24]C[Timshel [1k\]\: not gote leger [1d\]\: no, it's sente Timshel [1k\]\: but dead lol Tasky [4k\]\: gote leger [1d\]\: but -1 point ] ;B[im]BL[1935.92]C[MChow [7k\]\: before M14!!!! Tasky [4k\]\: b has to protect o19 after whistorm [?\]\: r16, p19, p15, ToDie [2d\]\: yes.... it´s about r16 before m14 leger [1d\]\: -1 sente usually isn't even played as a threat for kos ljglg\: b wins Tasky [4k\]\: otherwise w kills n18 ToDie [2d\]\: then l14 to live ratedone [3k\]\: j5 Starwyvern [10k?\]\: o19 k19 miai ] ;W[io]WL[1143.07];B[jp]BL[1933.77]C[leger [1d\]\: oh right, Tasky, b r16 is gote Starwyvern [10k?\]\: but still...w is out LogicWind [3k\]\: what's w/ zchen being black ] ;W[il]WL[1136.99]C[leger [1d\]\: or -40 pts sente xDragon [18k\]\: its a tournament Londo [5d\]\: J7 is powerful indeed Javaness [2d\]\: is the rules Hunyuan [6k\]\: b middle is treaten xDragon [18k\]\: not a handicap one ] ;B[jl]BL[1916.22];W[km]WL[1135.92];B[hl]BL[1914.77];W[ik]WL[1134.11];B[hm]BL[1913.13] ;W[lp]WL[1129.98]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: trade ];B[kq]BL[1909.37]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: w fine MrShintou [5d\]\: is it a trade? Hyoga [4k\]\: not that bad for white ] ;W[lq]WL[1119.29]C[bobo [6k\]\: o 12 soon ? ];B[kr]BL[1906.46]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: p12 rather Tasky [4k\]\: n2 ? dogbert [2d\]\: n2 leger [1d\]\: n2 seems the way, make shape Flesk [1k\]\: M2 and then O2? ] ;W[mr]WL[1094.94];B[nr]BL[1903.68];W[mo]WL[1093.41]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: its a trade like i give you 10p you give me £10 ] ;B[nq]BL[1901.91];W[lr]WL[1087.09]C[LogicWind [3k\]\: p12 should be played ];B[jr] BL[1899.86]C[dogbert [2d\]\: G9 ljglg\: 10p? Rythmic [7k\]\: b got pennies and w made strong enter Starwyvern [10k?\]\: pence / pounds kobor42 [5k?\]\: why not m2? leger [1d\]\: before p12, strenghten own center groups i think Javaness [2d\]\: he means 10 cents Hunyuan [6k\]\: w p12 ljglg\: kk wwayne2009\: s5 jansan55 [7k\]\: h10 Rythmic [7k\]\: l9 bobo [6k\]\: interesing sac by white ] ;W[oh]WL[1034.48];B[nh]BL[1893.03]C[Javaness [2d\]\: as white, I'd like to play H10 so i'm clearly alive everywhere bobo [6k\]\: now the fun begins Hunyuan [6k\]\: b in trouble ratedone [3k\]\: m10 Starwyvern [10k?\]\: m8 Hyoga [4k\]\: P11 ljglg\: b behind \:((((((((( leger [1d\]\: no, b ahead wwayne2009\: w chance is coming Uberdude [2d?\]\: w has at least made a game of it Rythmic [7k\]\: java, l9 does same thing and removes cutting aji too ] ;W[mj]WL[989.57]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: no? ];B[lj]BL[1879.89]C[Looksee [4k\]\: White lost big there! bobo [6k\]\: some aji though at m7 ratedone [3k\]\: o9 Renju [-\]\: no rythmic, because of L8 atari LogicWind [3k\]\: 8dan losing Starwyvern [10k?\]\: how so leger [1d\]\: unless white kills that center black group, b leads by about 20 points ratedone [3k\]\: or L10 bobo [6k\]\: well he may be abl;e to agin alot chasing it LogicWind [3k\]\: q11 was sente, should've played that first bobo [6k\]\: gain * wwayne2009\: L9 Hunyuan [6k\]\: w n11 bigben79 [6d?\]\: this is unkillable bobo [6k\]\: i am begiingi nto think so to bobo [6k\]\: too mamy weaknesses for w wwayne2009\: kill or lose MrShintou [5d\]\: it might be possible... nhanh [1d\]\: but have to try dongdong [4k?\]\: b should have L8 then L10 eh? nhanh [1d\]\: l10 Looksee [4k\]\: White can't kill. dongdong [4k?\]\: still not too late MrShintou [5d\]\: the attack is too soft, should have been at m9 m9 wwayne2009\: L9,if L8, M9 bobo [6k\]\: well if he cant kill he need to gain as much as can trying LogicWind [3k\]\: white doesn't need to kill LogicWind [3k\]\: should realize that and play solid to win leger [1d\]\: k11 ? bobo [6k\]\: yeah he may not need to if gets enough Timshel [1k\]\: uh whites behind Timshel [1k\]\: why would just play solid LogicWind [3k\]\: as long as g12 group lives leger [1d\]\: LogicWind, white needs to kill ] ;W[mk]WL[755.897]C[Looksee [4k\]\: m9 p9 will survive. leger [1d\]\: or find a 20 pts bag wwayne2009\: w has enough support to kill ] ;B[jj]BL[1873.34]C[leger [1d\]\: k11 here Timshel [1k\]\: alive ljglg\: alive MChow [7k\]\: alive now Shana [2d\]\: alive Shana [2d\]\: lol jSd [8k\]\: aélive LogicWind [3k\]\: now white really behind MChow [7k\]\: w lost? leger [1d\]\: k11 is promising Rythmic [7k\]\: how so? ] ;W[ij]WL[710.137]C[Hunyuan [6k\]\: k11 Starwyvern [10k?\]\: m9 Rythmic [7k\]\: i think w in front now MChow [7k\]\: n11 bobo [6k\]\: dont listen to se too much ] ;B[lm]BL[1849.9]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: n11 boring Rythmic [7k\]\: who Looksee [4k\]\: P12 ljglg\: pro bobo [6k\]\: but it looks closer Uberdude [2d?\]\: do stuff first Shana [2d\]\: its AGA rules for all those kyus and 2ds out there Javaness [2d\]\: pain bobo [6k\]\: ahh thx LogicWind [3k\]\: l8 bobo [6k\]\: ohh it hurts bobo [6k\]\: it hurts ljglg\: \:)) wwayne2009\: L8 LogicWind [3k\]\: q5 solid for black bobo [6k\]\: i am getting post dramitic stress ( shell shock form my losses seeig this Starwyvern [10k?\]\: post traumatic* bobo [6k\]\: ys bobo [6k\]\: thx autarch [?\]\: and dramatic* bobo [6k\]\: i shlud stick with sheel shock bobo [6k\]\: shell bobo [6k\]\: no way to mess that up Starwyvern [10k?\]\: l8 seems best here Hunyuan [6k\]\: w l8 dogbert [2d\]\: k8 ljglg\: m8 Looksee [4k\]\: It's black's turn, while the time for white is running? Uberdude [2d?\]\: no Akagi316 [?\]\: it's white's turn Renju [-\]\: becuase its whites turn Uberdude [2d?\]\: press the arros ljglg\: it's whites turn -_- dogbert [2d\]\: l8 ShikiKun [7k\]\: k9 Rythmic [7k\]\: lol ] ;W[lk]WL[529.322]C[bobo [6k\]\: eros shoots arrows Starwyvern [10k?\]\: k11 Starwyvern [10k?\]\: l10 Timshel [1k\]\: just take LogicWind [3k\]\: who's usa ] ;B[kk]BL[1822.54]C[Akagi316 [?\]\: b leger [1d\]\: b can't take ratedone [3k\]\: i don't unerstandm9 mcw85 [8k\]\: Zchen jSd [8k\]\: b 83 LogicWind [3k\]\: k11 jSd [8k\]\: w 45 ] ;W[ji]WL[494.1]C[Javaness [2d\]\: huh ];B[ki]BL[1813.57]C[Starwyvern [10k?\]\: m6 Uberdude [2d?\]\: so simple miai MChow [7k\]\: w want a ko ] ;W[jk]WL[478.385]C[Akagi316 [?\]\: horray b ];B[kl]BL[1807.72];W[kj]WL[477.409] C[ljglg\: wow bobo [6k\]\: hmmm ];B[oi]BL[1800.73]C[leger [1d\]\: not a good ko for white Hika [1d\]\: kooooo ] ;W[ph]WL[474.501];B[jj]BL[1798.82]C[Flesk [1k\]\: this was bad ljglg\: w will lose ko bobo [6k\]\: yeah seesm rather desperate Rythmic [7k\]\: it doesnt mather if he loses the ko Javaness [2d\]\: this plan is bad if no threats bigben79 [6d?\]\: O19 LogicWind [3k\]\: comon big threat!! Rythmic [7k\]\: its heavy on b not w nhanh [1d\]\: takign ko seems sente for b Uberdude [2d?\]\: threats please! ShikiKun [7k\]\: thats game Rythmic [7k\]\: o19 ShikiKun [7k\]\: no big threat Javaness [2d\]\: still, it's only the opening miao [5d\]\: c15 Javaness [2d\]\: plenty of time to make threats ratedone [3k\]\: f11 ljglg\: p19 bobo [6k\]\: g 3 ? Flesk [1k\]\: P19 perhaps bobo [6k\]\: nm ] ;W[na]WL[401.95]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: i wim Rythmic [7k\]\: win ];B[ja]BL[1792.35]C[bobo [6k\]\: ahh there we go ] ;W[kj]WL[394.681]C[xDragon [18k\]\: you must be 6d now right Rythmic [7k\]\: yes ] ;B[dh]BL[1784.93]C[Ibicus [1k\]\: black has enough threaths with m15 j14? kobor42 [5k?\]\: accept xDragon [18k\]\: maybe one day you become 9d kibitzer like me ratedone [3k\]\: m11 Flesk [1k\]\: TAKE? \:O ljglg\: weak leger [1d\]\: take ko and gamble ? kobor42 [5k?\]\: no Akagi316 [?\]\: cannot ignore whistorm [?\]\: ?????????????? Rythmic [7k\]\: cant take Hyoga [4k\]\: no he cant ignore Looksee [4k\]\: M11! kobor42 [5k?\]\: can't ignore Rythmic [7k\]\: e14 gonna die LogicWind [3k\]\: p19 next for white bobo [6k\]\: i am 30 k at kibbitz \:( Rythmic [7k\]\: saves b Flesk [1k\]\: so?.. if he kills all that \:P Starwyvern [10k?\]\: its about even.... Flesk [1k\]\: nm Flesk [1k\]\: \:) Javaness [2d\]\: my hovercraft is full of eels Starwyvern [10k?\]\: trade so b would still win Londo [5d\]\: is this "gamble" equal to making a semedori? bobo [6k\]\: hmm good opint bobo [6k\]\: point bobo [6k\]\: tghat wasalso a very good pint MChow [7k\]\: Cant Take rvrey [7k\]\: m 18 good too kobor42 [5k?\]\: p19 reduces one b threat kobor42 [5k?\]\: must take rvrey [7k\]\: M15 leger [1d\]\: sorry, obviously semedori can't work for white here leger [1d\]\: too few liberties leger [1d\]\: he can't take ko wwayne2009\: w can't win this one Rythmic [7k\]\: lol sure he can Hyoga [4k\]\: res kobor42 [5k?\]\: i wanted to say either, that w can't take bobo [6k\]\: its not looking good for w imo Rythmic [7k\]\: next threat for w is p19 LogicWind [3k\]\: best shot anyway Hancock [4d\]\: how about b16, is it a threat for white? ] ;W[fi]WL[252.985];B[jj]BL[1781.54]C[evanj [2d\]\: at the very least w is short on time! ] ;W[oa]WL[245.448]C[xDragon [18k\]\: theres 10 one minute byo yomi periods bobo [6k\]\: i wonder if your had been played instead who it would have went wwayne2009\: b has\:D13, M15, J14... bobo [6k\]\: m9 * ] ;B[ma]BL[1769.36]C[xDragon [18k\]\: plenty of time ];W[kj]WL[242.175];B[le]BL[1767.35] C[evanj [2d\]\: yes but w will clearly feel that pressure ];W[md]WL[240.239];B[jj] BL[1766.05]C[kobor42 [5k?\]\: b18? xDragon [18k\]\: thats still 10 min Javaness [2d\]\: with 10 times 1 minute? ] ;W[dj]WL[229.04]C[kobor42 [5k?\]\: as w threat? ];B[ej]BL[1760.25];W[kj]WL[226.801] ;B[dg]BL[1759.11]C[MChow [7k\]\: j14 ColdFront [5k\]\: b16 ColdFront [5k\]\: nvm ] ;W[eg]WL[219.475];B[jj]BL[1757.33];W[rq]WL[207.339]C[ShikiKun [7k\]\: this is soo painful to watch bobo [6k\]\: ignore ? dogbert [2d\]\: about the time Hyoga [4k\]\: whaat ] ;B[kj]BL[1744.76]C[Uberdude [2d?\]\: o5 weak ];W[rp]WL[198.852]C[Javaness [2d\]\: white needs to live Looksee [4k\]\: White lost! kobor42 [5k?\]\: yeah ] ;B[oo]BL[1737.11]C[kobor42 [5k?\]\: h10 must now KILIC [9k\]\: h10 Rythmic [7k\]\: lol what are you talking about bobo [6k\]\: m4 too weak for this ko threat ratedone [3k\]\: w can't win this game ] ;W[po]WL[183.568]C[xiping [3k?\]\: W alive with B13 if H10 ];B[on]BL[1728.29]C[bobo [6k\]\: this is over kobor42 [5k?\]\: resign Javaness [2d\]\: lose semeai first kobor42 [5k?\]\: m5 dead Rythmic [7k\]\: o6 ShikiKun [7k\]\: so painful bobo [6k\]\: w lived and died by the sword ] ;W[pp]WL[134.572]C[Javaness [2d\]\: Q4 ];B[nn]BL[1714.94]C[evanj [2d\]\: he better have a wicked tesuji ljglg\: lol bobo [6k\]\: that shylud be coined shindo86 [2k\]\: q2? Hyoga [4k\]\: resign suji Looksee [4k\]\: White Resign! bobo [6k\]\: this is called the wicked tesuji Rythmic [7k\]\: r3 doesnt work? Javaness [2d\]\: cut ] ;W[qq]WL[97.99]C[Hancock [4d\]\: now the contest gets interesting shindo86 [2k\]\: Oo ] ;B[pr]BL[1707.79]C[evanj [2d\]\: q2? evanj [2d\]\: yep Violence [-\]\: white's down a lib... evanj [2d\]\: b wins bobo [6k\]\: w loses by my count Javaness [2d\]\: empty triangle power Hancock [4d\]\: my guess is Xianyu Li is up next for Canada Violence [-\]\: P1? ] ;W[os]WL[78.954]C[Javaness [2d\]\: where is chid0ri? ];B[qr]BL[1701.63]C[Violence [-\]\: nah, still down a lib ] ;W[rr]WL[77.169]C[evanj [2d\]\: no chance ];B[pn]BL[1697.85];W[qo]WL[74.445];B[ns] BL[1695.26]C[evanj [2d\]\: man q6 is such a tease bobo [6k\]\: boom there it is evanj [2d\]\: "before i completely demolish you, i will throw in a kikashi" sedgwick [4d?\]\: thanks zchen [8d\]\: thanks bobo [6k\]\: lol sedgwick [4d?\]\: loss at f4 too big\:( whistorm [?\]\: ????????? bobo [6k\]\: gg zchen [8d\]\: yes jamesyeh [-\]\: pt for US sedgwick [4d?\]\: \:) jamesyeh [-\]\: lol ljglg\: good job zchen \:) bobo [6k\]\: very exciting game though sedgwick [4d?\]\: yes, fun anyway\:) Uberdude [2d?\]\: m7 was nice Hika [1d\]\: yeah zchen is a beast!!!!!! bobo [6k\]\: you diid well to recover a strategy imo Uberdude [2d?\]\: zchen didn't want to just safe live for easy win zchen [8d\]\: thx MChow [7k\]\: can he beat gong's record?? sedgwick [4d?\]\: thanks, fought as best I could afterwards, lucky to get anything in upper right... MChow [7k\]\: streak ])