(;CA[utf-8]RU[NZ]OT[10x60 byo-yomi]GM[1]FF[4]C[kbag [6d\]\: hi
]AP[CGoban:3]SZ[19]
ST[2]GN[2nd US-Canada Team Tournament, Game 4]EV[The Second US-Canada Team Go Tournament]
DT[2009-06-21]PC[The KGS Go Server at http\://www.gokgs.com/]PB[Calvin Sun]BR[7d]
BT[USA]PW[Tiger Gong]WT[Canada]KM[7.5]TM[3600]RE[W+4.5]SO[http\://www.bostongo.org/2nd_Canada.htm]
MULTIGOGM[1]
;B[qd]BL[3592.79]C[tigergong [?\]\: hi sun
];W[pp]WL[3574.47];B[dq]BL[3562.08]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: it's everyon'e favourite default windows picture
xDragon [22k\]\: same one wintogo has
]
;W[dd]WL[3534.48]C[xDragon [22k\]\: w beat BBW as w?
Rythmic [7k\]\: ya
];B[co]
BL[3542.33]C[xDragon [22k\]\: interesting
];W[iq]WL[3519.04]C[mafutrct [-\]\: who are the players?
]
;B[qn]BL[3510.05]C[Javaness [2d\]\: mine is the Fish
kelu [9d?\]\: Calvin Sun (kbag) B vs Tiger Gong (tigergong) W Game5\: 
Javaness [2d\]\: Game 4
xDragon [22k\]\: tiger gong, i like that name
mafutrct [-\]\: thanks
Javaness [2d\]\: Tiger Gong is Canaga's star
fjgkhkhk\: canaga?
TakokaT [4k\]\: canadia he meant ;)
Javaness [2d\]\: what about that other player , jing jang?
Javaness [2d\]\: something like that
shapolang [4k\]\: I see.haha
fjgkhkhk\: jing yang >.>
Javaness [2d\]\: won't he play? he's strong as badgers
aquadude [2k\]\: who's gonna win?
dksfid\: jing yang and yongfei
dksfid\: they are strong
fjgkhkhk\: how do they decide who plays?
Shukai [1k\]\: s5!
au2 [2d\]\: Ge stronger than Jang?
WaterAndGo [4k\]\: o3
]
;W[ql]WL[3333.53]C[mafutrct [-\]\: o4 looks like tha natural move to me, but it has a few weaknesses..
dksfid\: you can't say who is better
mafutrct [-\]\: r8 avoids these
Javaness [2d\]\: so many guests watching
fjgkhkhk\: yep \:)
Iyae [11k\]\: America #1 supa great. 
mafutrct [-\]\: i guess black changes the direction now
Javaness [2d\]\: how about double approach
mafutrct [-\]\: yes
fjgkhkhk\: i bet w will win this
mafutrct [-\]\: if black plays r3, he will probably play l3 after the joseki
dksfid\: i bet on b
Javaness [2d\]\: Tiger Gong is stronger than ericdai
TakokaT [4k\]\: what about q8? i see that alot in my games now, i'm not very familiar with it
dksfid\: but wish w wins
]
;B[nc]BL[3403.17]C[mafutrct [-\]\: q8 is not making sense on this board i think
WaterAndGo [4k\]\: r11
mafutrct [-\]\: q8 is sort of a leaning attack for special situations
TakokaT [4k\]\: what is b's goal if he tries q8? and why doesnt it work?
Mihan [3k\]\: tigergpong beat the crap out of bbw. this game is gonna be to easy for him. 
TakokaT [4k\]\: ah thanks \:)
mafutrct [-\]\: if r11, b will o3, i think
mafutrct [-\]\: locally, q6
AroundOneD [2d\]\: r11
mafutrct [-\]\: if b lives in the corner, j3 seems ok
dksfid\: not alway stronger players win
EdhelDil [6k\]\: s5 interrersting?
mafutrct [-\]\: i think white has to add a move in the lower right...
mafutrct [-\]\: no, s5 is off, i think
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ok ^^
Cassis0 [5d\]\: r11
Jaiyk [?\]\: q6? r4 ? o3 ?
Mihan [3k\]\: w already has 3 stones there. thats enough. 
mafutrct [-\]\: o3 q6 r5 r11 are usual options ..
Mihan [3k\]\: c10 ish. 
pilaf [3d\]\: go r14
mafutrct [-\]\: c10 is small side, i think
Jaiyk [?\]\: r12 too far?
mafutrct [-\]\: r12 has r10 weakness for no reason
Javaness [2d\]\: Tiger Gong is only Board 7 for Canada as well
Uberdude [3d?\]\: r11 better
]
;W[qo]WL[3119.38]C[Javaness [2d\]\: I fear the Maple Syrup
meuns [2k\]\: tiger beat bbw !
Mihan [3k\]\: yep. he can give 3 handis and still win this. 
mafutrct [-\]\: javaness, are you saying this is the 7th strongest player in canada's lineup?
Rythmic [7k\]\: whos the 1st?
Javaness [2d\]\: well that's what the webpage says
Rythmic [7k\]\: is it me?
Rythmic [7k\]\: =p
Javaness [2d\]\: http\://www.bostongo.org/2nd_Canada.htm
Javaness [2d\]\: looks like 2 of the Canadian team don't even have a rank though
shodansoon [-\]\: i bet they are guests
dksfid\: they have rank
Rythmic [7k\]\: well usa got no chance, their highest player is rated 9.3 and canada's worst is rated 555 ;)
mcw85 [6k?\]\: I do believe the name Tiger Gong is awesome.
dksfid\: yongfei is about aga 8.8
meuns [2k\]\: who is tiger ?
dksfid\: jing yang and juyong are about 8.6
Polyphem [?\]\: o 3?
dksfid\: canadian 7d
meuns [2k\]\: 03 bad
mafutrct [-\]\: the continuation is very non-obvious to me... black has many options.
EdhelDil [6k\]\: q6 only choice here
Beeko31k [2k\]\: USA
]
;B[cf]BL[3142.78]C[Beeko31k [2k\]\: USA!
mafutrct [-\]\: q6 is not the only move
Beeko31k [2k\]\: USA
Javaness [2d\]\: Go Canada!
Javaness [2d\]\: et Quebec
Beeko31k [2k\]\: Whoses playing for USA?
dksfid\: lion sun
Jaiyk [?\]\: pincher good here?
Javaness [2d\]\: I don't like pincer
Beeko31k [2k\]\: Black doesnt know joksei>>>
mafutrct [-\]\: f17 seems ok, locally
mafutrct [-\]\: i'm wondering about q6...
]
;W[fc]WL[2988.09]C[Beeko31k [2k\]\: c15 looks goof
Beeko31k [2k\]\: *good
Jaiyk [?\]\: b16 ? d10 ?
WaterAndGo [4k\]\: b16
Javaness [2d\]\: D11 please
]
;B[gq]BL[3078.88]C[meuns [2k\]\: D11 bad !
Javaness [2d\]\: pff
meuns [2k\]\: \:p
Cassis0 [5d\]\: q6 or c12
ElscoutaV2 [2k\]\: b tenuki master
mafutrct [-\]\: i think d10, no? d10 is 3 spaces on the upper and 4 on the lower side
Javaness [2d\]\: mange ton repas mon tigre
meuns [2k\]\: C12 rules
meuns [2k\]\: javaness est français ?!
]
;W[mp]WL[2937.68]C[meuns [2k\]\: ah bah ça alors
Javaness [2d\]\: oui c'est ca
Cassis0 [5d\]\: javaness est un loup
meuns [2k\]\: et nous des brebis ?
meuns [2k\]\: merci merci
Javaness [2d\]\: un loup dans les arbres
meuns [2k\]\: qui mange des noisettes ?
meuns [2k\]\: funny N4
Javaness [2d\]\: I don't trust this white shape
]
;B[qi]BL[3026.97]C[meuns [2k\]\: b can do two double wings !
mafutrct [-\]\: never seen this shape...
meuns [2k\]\: b will win for sure !
]
;W[ch]WL[2872.64]C[meuns [2k\]\: K16
RenjuGamer [3k\]\: kinda bold claim to say from this board that B is sure to win =P
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ^^
]
;B[pn]BL[2977.09]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: theres actually a 5d pro registered in canada, he's not playing, dunno why
]
;W[ol]WL[2854.67]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]\: multiple us professionals are not playing
sedgwick [4d\]\: She (Xiaoren He)
]
;B[nn]BL[2955.34];W[ml]WL[2845.75]C[Cassis0 [5d\]\: looks good for black 
];B[ln]
BL[2945.42]C[meuns [2k\]\: N4 seems very bad now
Javaness [2d\]\: M4?
meuns [2k\]\: P3?
meuns [2k\]\: M3 ?
Javaness [2d\]\: R14
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m17 ?
gojustingo [8k\]\: janice kim says don't let opp get 2 shimaris
]
;W[oo]WL[2770.97]C[meuns [2k\]\: ^^
meuns [2k\]\: she is right ^^
Javaness [2d\]\: well theCaptain beat Janice Kim
]
;B[on]BL[2927.09];W[kp]WL[2765.16]C[gojustingo [8k\]\: !
Mihan [3k\]\: w looks in huge trouble. 
meuns [2k\]\: the captain always wins so.. ^^
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: really, java?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ah.
]
;B[pk]BL[2904.08];W[pl]WL[2762.72]C[thebeetle [6k\]\: remember when the captain beat bigbadwolf?
meuns [2k\]\: double wing !
]
;B[nk]BL[2895.81];W[nl]WL[2760.88];B[km]BL[2887.88]C[SkorpionZW [12k\]\: he did?
thebeetle [6k\]\: no
EdhelDil [6k\]\: q9 o9 kikashis, usually we regret them later on
Rythmic [7k\]\: w did w play so high at bottom?
SkorpionZW [12k\]\: white M8 can allow white cut?
SkorpionZW [12k\]\: cut of black O6
Sipes [7k\]\: no
Bolko [3k\]\: s4
]
;W[kl]WL[2652.42]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: actually yes, m8 threatens cut, but bottom is too weak for w
SkorpionZW [12k\]\: ok
]
;B[jl]BL[2864.85]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: i think
];W[kk]WL[2650.36]C[meuns [2k\]\: b will win
Novlaire [10k?\]\: white's already leading Ô.ô
SkorpionZW [12k\]\: he does?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: lol
Rythmic [7k\]\: lol early se is funny
Finnish [9k\]\: Se is trustworthy..
EdhelDil [6k\]\: the stronger fighter will win this moyo game (look at fan hui's game, it's impressive how big moyo die easy)
Novlaire [10k?\]\: *checks SE*
]
;B[im]BL[2750.93];W[jk]WL[2643.16];B[ik]BL[2747.55];W[ij]WL[2640.93];B[hk]BL[2745.49]
C[Novlaire [10k?\]\: what's funny about SE? Doesn't say anything strange
];W[jn]
WL[2637.41];B[jm]BL[2743.74]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: f11 ?
];W[hj]WL[2631.48];B[gj]BL[2730.13]
;W[gi]WL[2629.42]C[aimaru\: ＵＳＡ！
aimaru\: go canada!
];B[jj]BL[2708.55]
C[kobor42 [6k?\]\: U S S R !
Cassis0 [5d\]\: violent
thebeetle [6k\]\: he was asking for it
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h12 ?
gojustingo [8k\]\: o15
ketchup [1k\]\: arent moves like k10, why people play diagonal fuseki?
Cassis0 [5d\]\: ketchup I don't get your question
EdhelDil [6k\]\: f10 g9 h12 
ketchup [1k\]\: hmm maybe i cannot phrase it correctly sorry
Uberdude [3d?\]\: b better
meuns [2k\]\: who is kbag ?
ketchup [1k\]\: calvin sun
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: do you mean so they can fight, ketchup?
ketchup [1k\]\: yes, that's part of it, but even just getting a cut in here is big mssrblanc
meuns [2k\]\: ok thx
meuns [2k\]\: go F R A N C E
gojustingo [8k\]\: go ITALY!
meuns [2k\]\: sorry...
meuns [2k\]\: hehe
EdhelDil [6k\]\: go to sleep
meuns [2k\]\: ^^
gojustingo [8k\]\: ZZZ
meuns [2k\]\: it's late indeed
dlrm [12k\]\: would L11 work to capture the stone ?
thebeetle [6k\]\: go IRAN!
mint [4d\]\: dlrm\: no.
meuns [2k\]\: are you from iran ?
kobor42 [6k?\]\: go A T L A N T I S !
gojustingo [8k\]\: atlantis lol
Novlaire [10k?\]\: Go Gondwana!
dlrm [12k\]\: hmm I think the ladder to the left wold work 
EdhelDil [6k\]\: l11 may be interresting but big bet
thebeetle [6k\]\: go gojustingo!
gojustingo [8k\]\: go Prussia
Rythmic [7k\]\: j11 is atari dlrm
gojustingo [8k\]\: ^^
mint [4d\]\: it's not a ladder dlrm because after l11 k11 k12 b can just h11
dlrm [12k\]\: just play H11
dlrm [12k\]\: and continue the ladder
dlrm [12k\]\: till D16
thebeetle [6k\]\: m10
EdhelDil [6k\]\: l11 to go "around" k10
kobor42 [6k?\]\: go H E A V E N !
mint [4d\]\: l11 k11 k12 h11 <-- read this sequence
dlrm [12k\]\: oh 
dlrm [12k\]\: thanks \:)
dlrm [12k\]\: never mind 
meuns [2k\]\: hehe
meuns [2k\]\: getta
meuns [2k\]\: no atari ^^'
Rythmic [7k\]\: darn i wish w would turn things around
meuns [2k\]\: hard
meuns [2k\]\: he seems disconnected
gojustingo [8k\]\: p9?
Rythmic [7k\]\: well then he can blame the isp =p
]
;W[oi]WL[2168.7]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]\: if the consensus is right, and white trails, it's funny to see a high level game so uneven so early
EdhelDil [6k\]\: i was thinking l11 k11 k12 j11 l10 h11 h13 
sedgwick [4d\]\: you guys are too used to KGS fast games\:)
Rythmic [7k\]\: we'll its a fight and only w is threatened...
Uberdude [3d?\]\: k11...
sedgwick [4d\]\: I don't think white is losing
]
;B[ji]BL[2645.65];W[ih]WL[2164.8]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: w beat bigbadwolf with white. I'd be scared as hell as black.
]
;B[jh]BL[2629.31]C[WaterAndGo [4k\]\: 0_o
ketchup [1k\]\: why?
ketchup [1k\]\: black is fun
WaterAndGo [4k\]\: p11
RenjuGamer [3k\]\: being scared is a good way to lose a game
antiriad [1d?\]\: his name is gong
antiriad [1d?\]\: tiger gong
WaterAndGo [4k\]\: is  strange
Uberdude [3d?\]\: i'd focus on th board
Uberdude [3d?\]\: and be happy as b
EdhelDil [6k\]\: p9 ?
thebeetle [6k\]\: p11 threatens to cut off the two stones
DSchlottBR [18k\]\: shouldnt white go for a g5 or h6?
Uberdude [3d?\]\: no
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: dschlottbr\: the center/right side is more urgent
DSchlottBR [18k\]\: i mean latter
Novlaire [10k?\]\: I have seen the game against bbw.
Uberdude [3d?\]\: k11 is urgent area
]
;W[ig]WL[2079.54];B[ni]BL[2591.46]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: m11 ?
Cassis0 [5d\]\: p9
thebeetle [6k\]\: p9
FlySpoon [3k\]\: N11
EdhelDil [6k\]\: f10 later will be big (or c9 )
Cassis0 [5d\]\: p9 maybe shy 
DSchlottBR [18k\]\: q10?
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: I thindschlott, I think later, white will still consider playing more in the corner
EdhelDil [6k\]\: Mmm, this fight occurs inside B territory\: if white goes out fine, onl 1 big moyo left, and he already has a d12 stonte + c14 target + g11 stones waiting...
EdhelDil [6k\]\: maybe k10 will turn out to be the losing move in the end? ^^
Cassis0 [5d\]\: this is not in black territory 
Rythmic [7k\]\: well for now how to live?
Rythmic [7k\]\: i'd m11
Cassis0 [5d\]\: what I see is w will live but at what cost? how much territory wil be get from it? 
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: I think if q10, b p9 works
Tobamf [20k?\]\: wonder if a clamp helps here
EdhelDil [6k\]\: n10 o10 m12 ?
jerno [3d\]\: o10 ?
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: scratch my last comment, it was about p10 p9
whistorm [?\]\: ?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: s6 induces 0.5 eyes, I think
fjgkhkhk\: he's taken 10 min for one move...
Rythmic [7k\]\: ya but byo is 1 min
fjgkhkhk\: oh
TakokaT [4k\]\: tiger is representing canada or usa?
FlySpoon [3k\]\: O10
Rythmic [7k\]\: cnd
fjgkhkhk\: i thought it was 30 sec onr something \:)
]
;W[li]WL[1535.56]C[fjgkhkhk\: or*
Rythmic [7k\]\: called it!
Tobamf [20k?\]\: heheheh
Rythmic [7k\]\: and i would have done it faster =p
EdhelDil [6k\]\: lol
Rythmic [7k\]\: only kidding
ThunderGod [4d\]\: 7k stong nowadays
fjgkhkhk\: just as good as 7d's xD
EdhelDil [6k\]\: against kbag, i'd do my whole game in 10mn (resigning move 12)
fjgkhkhk\: kbag is sleeping lol
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m12 ?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: (insert joke about sleeping kbag here)
Rythmic [7k\]\: i think w can escape with m12
Rythmic [7k\]\: my var has b getting big moyo and 4 stones tho
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m12 n11 n12 o12 ?
jSd [9k\]\: lol
]
;B[nh]BL[2322.36]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: var?
jSd [9k\]\: canada in trouble
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m13 now
Rythmic [7k\]\: or l13?
Rythmic [7k\]\: actually i dont think w can jump
EdhelDil [6k\]\: sounds like a movie title
Violence [-\]\: M13 leads to M10, I think.
Tobamf [20k?\]\: if n10 peep is truly a peep, then m13 works I think
Uberdude [3d?\]\: 13 too thin
Uberdude [3d?\]\: m13
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m12 then?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: m12 smacks of heavy deadness
Uberdude [3d?\]\: o12 so thick
EdhelDil [6k\]\: m12 k13 m14 or m12 m13 k13 
]
;W[nj]WL[1314.53]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: sheesh, o10 ... show-off ! ^^
Rythmic [7k\]\: lol
Tobamf [20k?\]\: this looks like a good idea
EdhelDil [6k\]\: threaten to cut my tobi ? i cut yours first!
Violence [-\]\: I don'tlike this very much
Tobamf [20k?\]\: why not?
dlrm [12k\]\: will this be a possible KO
Violence [-\]\: It doesn't feel right direction to me
Rythmic [7k\]\: you are about 4-5d Violence right?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: it seems to me to aim to live small or induce an escape
Tobamf [20k?\]\: or have I read it wrongly?
Violence [-\]\: uh, like 3d KGS, I guess, Rythmic
AroundOneD [2d\]\: b can give up 2 stones and gets 3 stones
Rythmic [7k\]\: ^^
Violence [-\]\: Yeah, but Tobamf, when do you want to aim to live small?
Tabemasu [-\]\: Violence is too modest
]
;B[oh]BL[2165.37]C[Tabemasu [-\]\: He's about 8d on KGS
Tobamf [20k?\]\: fair enough, hardly better than dying big
Violence [-\]\: go die, Tabay masoo
Tobamf [20k?\]\: I'm just not ambitious
Tabemasu [-\]\: But it's true
EdhelDil [6k\]\: there is no violence on kgs
Rythmic [7k\]\: actually i understood nothing about o10
EdhelDil [6k\]\: p9 now?
Rythmic [7k\]\: wont make 2 eyes and b might close
Rythmic [7k\]\: i think
Tabemasu [6d\]\: Violence can give me 2 stones, so he must be at least 8d
Tobamf [20k?\]\: anyone can give you two stones, can he give you two stones and consistently win when you try your best is the question.
Tabemasu [6d\]\: He can
Tobamf [20k?\]\: 0_0
Tabemasu [6d\]\: He wins about 60% of the games
Violence [-\]\: lies and slander
Tobamf [20k?\]\: <bows>
Uberdude [3d?\]\: black has made nice territory in front of r16 shimari
fairgo1 [2k\]\: he lost to a 4d in the brawl though >.>
Tabemasu [6d\]\: He likes to give people a chance
Tabemasu [6d\]\: he's a nice guy
fairgo1 [2k\]\: lol
Uberdude [3d?\]\: ♪give violence a chance♫
EdhelDil [6k\]\: lol
kobor42 [6k?\]\: But it is not sure, that you are true 6d. Let's ask, can you beat thecaptain with 2 stones consistently? 
Violence [-\]\: No one can do that, kobor. Captain the best.
EdhelDil [6k\]\: kobor\: you'll have to be close to him for that
Rythmic [7k\]\: =p
Tobamf [20k?\]\: that's true
Tobamf [20k?\]\: why is Cap not playing in this game?
kobor42 [6k?\]\: so, noone is stronger than 4d.
Tobamf [20k?\]\: he is our savior
Tabemasu [6d\]\: That's true
Rythmic [7k\]\: because go is 2 player game?
Tabemasu [6d\]\: I am a bad player
oihkg\: UR corner invadeble?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: he is Canada's best representative
fairgo1 [2k\]\: thecaptain is from canada?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: yep
AroundOneD [2d\]\: at least 6d
AroundOneD [2d\]\: not bad
Violence [-\]\: TheCaptain declined to participate because Jie Li was not on the US team.
Novlaire [10k?\]\: Yes, komoku+ogeima is usually invadeable
Tobamf [20k?\]\: mind you, Canadian ranking system is quite brutal
Tobamf [20k?\]\: Cap is 22k Canadian, IIRC
oihkg\: tnx
fairgo1 [2k\]\: oh, did USA win in 2007 against canada?
Violence [-\]\: yes
Rythmic [7k\]\: oh well
Violence [-\]\: But I think it was 2008 and the date is wrong
Stoneflow [7k\]\: swedish ranks are kinda brutal too
fairgo1 [2k\]\: oh
Rythmic [7k\]\: if we lose we'll get even next world cup of hockey
Tobamf [20k?\]\: heh
fairgo1 [2k\]\: what's the difference between rating and ranking system or are they the same thing?
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: if you ignore surrouding stones, playing at Q17 should live
miao [5d\]\: 2005  4 1k won 9 from 10 games in egc
Tobamf [20k?\]\: okay, that is one area where Canada seems to excel
AroundOneD [2d\]\: m13
miao [5d\]\: and 1d won all 10
EdhelDil [6k\]\: fairgo\: you get your rating using the ranking system
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: ratings are continually adjusted.  rankings--you get once, and keep for your life
Rythmic [7k\]\: if you ignore surrounding stones, anything can live actually
countone [7k\]\: you could combine them to get a ranting system
Rythmic [7k\]\: lol
fairgo1 [2k\]\: O_O
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: >< ignore outside stones
Uberdude [3d?\]\: generally rank refers to 3d
Tobamf [20k?\]\: r16 can't live, as that would be an illegal move, to play on top of another stone
Uberdude [3d?\]\: whereas rating is the more fin grained numerical score
Uberdude [3d?\]\: like egf 2182
AroundOneD [2d\]\: m13 is good for both
Uberdude [3d?\]\: or the number you see on kgs graph
EdhelDil [6k\]\: p9 big; gives eye and prepares m12 ish
Rythmic [7k\]\: but if you ignore surrounding stone, then r16 isnt occupied
AroundOneD [2d\]\: m12 good for b
AroundOneD [2d\]\: m13 good for w
Stoneflow [7k\]\: around c8 is good?
fairgo1 [2k\]\: so is a person's ranking 2k or rating 2k/
fairgo1 [2k\]\: ?*
Uberdude [3d?\]\: ranking
Uberdude [3d?\]\: in general parlance
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: officially, kyu is a rank, but it's used interchangably
]
;W[mi]WL[779.037]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: w is desperate
Tobamf [20k?\]\: this is good
fairgo1 [2k\]\: so then my ranking has hanged many times...
EdhelDil [6k\]\: w prepares q10 ?
Javaness [2d\]\: everyone said white had lost against bbw
Javaness [2d\]\: but he fought back
EdhelDil [6k\]\: + threatens k11 
Tobamf [20k?\]\: white can escape now I think
fairgo1 [2k\]\: changed*
Uberdude [3d?\]\: java, and bbw made a big mistake
Tobamf [20k?\]\: and you have your direction, Violence
AroundOneD [2d\]\: m13
Tobamf [20k?\]\: I hope
]
;B[jg]BL[2113.07];W[lg]WL[770.287]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: true i went and watched the game, java\: but
Simple [10k\]\: who played against bbw?
Uberdude [3d?\]\: hane too much power
Rythmic [7k\]\: he killed a corner in that game
EdhelDil [6k\]\: k12 or invason on right, white still iin this game for sure ^^
]
;B[if]BL[2091.45]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: w needed k13
Tobamf [20k?\]\: mind you, black will have a huge conversion in the TR corner + side
countone [7k\]\: Simple\: tigergong
]
;W[gg]WL[757.79];B[fi]BL[2066.38];W[gh]WL[752.095]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: f11 big \:/
EdhelDil [6k\]\: but k12 is (for now) a liability for b
]
;B[ke]BL[2029.26]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: j17 or c9 or f10 looks huge
];W[mf]WL[656.374]
C[Hellhuman [5k\]\: 6k analizing high dan game <3 amazing
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ^^
EdhelDil [6k\]\: i try to keep it simple ;
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ;)
ketchup [1k\]\: hey! you were 5k yesterday!
EdhelDil [6k\]\: i know, i played today
Rythmic [7k\]\: still more likely than a 6k playing a high dan's game
ketchup [1k\]\: rank drifted down? \:(
Kantid [5k\]\: he's 6k coz he choose it, not coz he can't be higher
]
;B[ld]BL[1963.47]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: precisely
Rythmic [7k\]\: ouch
EdhelDil [6k\]\: wild idea\: l14 ?
Hellhuman [5k\]\: im not critizising being 6k, that fine^^
Tobamf [20k?\]\: which indirectly accuses EdhelDil of veing a sandbagger
evave [5k\]\: p10 ?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: *being
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: 6k can analyze a high dan game just as well as he can analyze a 6k game.
Rythmic [7k\]\: l14 is a ty move i think
EdhelDil [6k\]\: exactly ^^
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: but you might as well analyze a high dan game because it's more interesting
Rythmic [7k\]\: problem is it probably means "badly" in both cases mssr
Tobamf [20k?\]\: dunno about that
rvrey [8k\]\: all that because the game is too slow ^^lol
EdhelDil [6k\]\: q10 ?
]
;W[ok]WL[563.863]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: p9 lives I think
Tobamf [20k?\]\: makes sense at this point, white has no good running direction anymore
EdhelDil [6k\]\: c10 now looks big
]
;B[oe]BL[1933.67];W[eh]WL[548.828]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: j17 ish is big as well
];B[cc]
BL[1911.16];W[cd]WL[505.437];B[bd]BL[1906.79]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: soon f10 
Rythmic [7k\]\: i think g65 is big too
Showa [6k\]\: f10 too solid
Rythmic [7k\]\: try to put some pressure on big dragon to reduce b
EdhelDil [6k\]\: w f10
Rythmic [7k\]\: g5
EdhelDil [6k\]\: once this corner lives
esko [2k\]\: g65 is not local
EdhelDil [6k\]\: lol
Rythmic [7k\]\: i corrected
esko [2k\]\: plz give me a smile \:)
Rythmic [7k\]\: \:)
esko [2k\]\: ^^
totorooo\: what else than b b15?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: w you mean?
kobor42 [6k?\]\: b17
Kantid [5k\]\: (^(^_(^_^)_^)^)
Uberdude [3d?\]\: e12 seems slack
totorooo\: w i mean
Uberdude [3d?\]\: as now b will treat f11 lightly
kobor42 [6k?\]\: bad.b18
EdhelDil [6k\]\: b15 may be gote
EdhelDil [6k\]\: well, e18 could be left unanswered?...
totorooo\: i would b15
EdhelDil [6k\]\: b15 b17 c15 e18 f10 ?
rvrey [8k\]\: w simply lose ^^lol
RainierBob [2k?\]\: seems b must live in corner in gote allowing w to get into left bottom
EdhelDil [6k\]\: how in gote?
Showa [6k\]\: cuz of f17
Showa [6k\]\: it`s gote
EdhelDil [6k\]\: then what is tigerwong waiting for?^^
Rythmic [7k\]\: god to talk to him
Rythmic [7k\]\: theres lag in the transmission
totorooo\: he is counting maybe
EdhelDil [6k\]\: that's unfair
Rythmic [7k\]\: so it takes some time
EdhelDil [6k\]\: counting is good
rvrey [8k\]\: tea time ^^^
Kantid [5k\]\: counting=having clever plan?
Rythmic [7k\]\: well someone tell him se says he's WAY behind
EdhelDil [6k\]\: counting helps decide what to do
Nomadic [2k?\]\: including resing_
Showa [6k\]\: se underestimates expansion on the right side
Rythmic [7k\]\: what expansion?
]
;W[be]WL[32.85]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: top and left theres place
Rythmic [7k\]\: but right?
Showa [6k\]\: oh sorry
Showa [6k\]\: left))
]
;B[bc]BL[1891.05];W[ce]WL[30.706]C[Showa [6k\]\: lol
Shukai [1k\]\: white looking kinda overconcentrated
rvrey [8k\]\: F9^^^
]
;B[eb]BL[1867.76]C[Javaness [2d\]\: e17
Rythmic [7k\]\: maybe tiger *thinks* he's talking to god, but it's actually our gossip guiding him
rvrey [8k\]\: looking for the book ^^joseki corners ^^lol
EdhelDil [6k\]\: e17 d18 c8 ?
jodak [4k\]\: g9
]
;OW[10]W[fb]WL[60];B[ec]BL[1864.16];OW[10]W[ed]WL[60];B[dc]BL[1862.48];OW[10]W[id]
WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: what?
Rythmic [7k\]\: omg why so high?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: oh, threaten l14 again
EdhelDil [6k\]\: l14 k14 k15 
Shukai [1k\]\: K16?
Showa [6k\]\: b has l13
Showa [6k\]\: then
pilaf [3d\]\: this tiger does play with a unique pace
]
;B[ck]BL[1779.29]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: f10 almost over now \:/ j16 was too small?
RainierBob [2k?\]\: b cant let w get to this area first
Rythmic [7k\]\: so basically he's got time left for one more move =p
]
;OW[10]W[kf]WL[60];B[je]BL[1771.78]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: k12 too small
Nomadic [2k?\]\: cant understand w
pilaf [3d\]\: unique pace, I meant unique slow pace\:)
]
;OW[10]W[jf]WL[60];B[ie]BL[1768.62]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: unique, not ionic
Rythmic [7k\]\: i got a rythmic pace =p
jodak [4k\]\: as long as its not a eunic pace
EdhelDil [6k\]\: anything around n17 or n16 ?.... that would explain white prefered j16 to c9 ?
Rythmic [7k\]\: g5 ftttwbelh
Rythmic [7k\]\: (for the try to win but eventually lose horribly)
pilaf [3d\]\: i like C4 now
pilaf [3d\]\: i meant dynamite
Rythmic [7k\]\: cuz i'm tnt..
oihkg\: w neads 30 points besides LR corner?
sedgwick [4d\]\: g9?
]
;OW[8]W[gk]WL[60]C[Javaness [2d\]\: h5
EdhelDil [6k\]\: nice call
sedgwick [4d\]\: \:)
pruls [7k\]\: n6?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: g8 looks sente too
EdhelDil [6k\]\: but seems a bit deep
sedgwick [4d\]\: yes, that is why g9 is possible for w...
]
;B[gl]BL[1728.05]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: hmmm
];OW[8]W[fj]WL[60];B[fl]BL[1723.84]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: black feels comfident?
FlameBlade [-\]\: *confident
EdhelDil [6k\]\: indeed \:/
Rythmic [7k\]\: lol
Rythmic [7k\]\: se says w wins now
Uberdude [3d?\]\: e12 pointless now like i said
pilaf [3d\]\: maybe over-confident, just liek BBW
FlameBlade [-\]\: I just counted...I think black is in good position
]
;OW[8]W[cp]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: wow!
pilaf [3d\]\: see?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: here's to you pilaf ^^
Uberdude [3d?\]\: b4 is possible
baian [1d\]\: wow who would have guessed an attachment
EdhelDil [6k\]\: pilaf did
Rythmic [7k\]\: CA-NA-Da!
pilaf [3d\]\: thank you very much, i would like to thank the Academy and etc etc
Uberdude [3d?\]\: s5 is big too
Showa [6k\]\: smug alert)
]
;B[dp]BL[1632.91];OW[8]W[bo]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: h7 ... possible too?
RainierBob [2k?\]\: if b can end in sente, h16 looks very big
Rythmic [7k\]\: trouble is b can still invade lower side right?
Koukkaaja [2d\]\: easily
Rythmic [7k\]\: if he does w is toast
Uberdude [3d?\]\: not ater w s5 i thin
EdhelDil [6k\]\: hey, look at it this way\: j7 has no eye yet ^^
Javaness [2d\]\: you are thin uber
Rythmic [7k\]\: uh... its connected....
]
;B[cn]BL[1500.03]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: c3 ?
];OW[8]W[cq]WL[60];B[dr]BL[1496.74]C[pilaf [3d\]\: ko
]
;OW[8]W[hl]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: how do you guys do it
Rythmic [7k\]\: ?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: do what?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ko theats!
Rythmic [7k\]\: call "ko" in like 2 seconds
Tobamf [20k?\]\: easy
Tobamf [20k?\]\: call it out, hope it happens
]
;B[il]BL[1456.59]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: adn be right
];OW[8]W[dl]WL[60]C[broiler [5d?\]\: it is ko
Tobamf [20k?\]\: that's luck
EdhelDil [6k\]\: "if you don't see how it lives; call "ko"
Koukkaaja [2d\]\: c2 b6 is ko
]
;B[bn]BL[1436.12];OW[8]W[cl]WL[60]C[mafutrct [-\]\: you _could_ try to read instead of shouting "ko"
Tobamf [20k?\]\: see? no ko
mcw85 [7k\]\: White's weak group overstayed its welcome.
broiler [5d?\]\: because w tenuki
]
;B[bl]BL[1400.89]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: right. therefore I stand beside my statement "call it out and hope."
]
;OW[8]W[dk]WL[60]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: err, behind, not beside
EdhelDil [6k\]\: w going after k7 ? ^^
]
;B[bj]BL[1370.15]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: you coward
];OW[8]W[cj]WL[60]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: heh
Rythmic [7k\]\: standing behind a statement
]
;B[bk]BL[1364.8]C[jodak [4k\]\: how do you "shout" here, anyway
];OW[8]W[gp]WL[60]
C[Rythmic [7k\]\: caps
pilaf [3d\]\: without b6 it is textbook ko
Rythmic [7k\]\: got no trouble believing you, I just can't read that
]
;B[fp]BL[1321.13];OW[8]W[hp]WL[60]C[mafutrct [-\]\: i can't read many things either, still i try before i randomly state possible results \:)
Showa [6k\]\: now b behind?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: why not g5 ? no schicho?
]
;B[fo]BL[1292.91]C[Tobamf [20k?\]\: making random statements is about not choosing sides, or times
Tobamf [20k?\]\: for example
pilaf [3d\]\: w need to worry about F16
Tobamf [20k?\]\: ko
Tobamf [20k?\]\: over
mafutrct [-\]\: g5 for w you mean?
Tobamf [20k?\]\: alive
Rythmic [7k\]\: who r u trying to argue with mafutrct?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ys g5 white
Uberdude [3d?\]\: w happy to get sente
Rythmic [7k\]\: i didnt say one should call randomly
]
;OW[7]W[hd]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: ha
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h16 slow?
Uberdude [3d?\]\: s5 or h16
pilaf [3d\]\: I feel like Sai these days
EdhelDil [6k\]\: l17 ?...
oihkg\: invade
Uberdude [3d?\]\: 2 biggest
Shukai [1k\]\: sai died =(
Rythmic [7k\]\: w + 29 oO?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: s5 looks huge
EdhelDil [6k\]\: could b r3 now?
FlameBlade [-\]\: now game is close
FlameBlade [-\]\: but I think I'll favor white here
whistorm [?\]\: white is winning again
Rythmic [7k\]\: thats not possible
Rythmic [7k\]\: miao called w lose
baian [1d\]\: Flame  ahem 
rvrey [8k\]\: but corner is open^^^
Rythmic [7k\]\: and miao is never wrong
EdhelDil [6k\]\: what did miao say?
pilaf [3d\]\: miao or mai?
Rythmic [7k\]\: miao
FlameBlade [-\]\: positionally, I favor white, but I root for black
baian [1d\]\: flame is vacillating
EdhelDil [6k\]\: i wonder if white haven't something for the other corner...
fairgo1 [2k\]\: white has a big lead =/
rvrey [8k\]\: black +8^^^
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h2 and s5 are huuuuge
mafutrct [-\]\: b p3? \:)
belladona [4k\]\: c14...
rvrey [8k\]\: R3
]
;B[jc]BL[1013.05]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: if b lives r3 w sad
belladona [4k\]\: b14^^
EdhelDil [6k\]\: s5 
Uberdude [3d?\]\: hmm w sente again
pilaf [3d\]\: R14?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: oh,; good one
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ^^ fun
pilaf [3d\]\: problem for w is now time
]
;OW[6]W[qc]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: ahhhh
mcw85 [7k\]\: Trying this again.
Javaness [2d\]\: hehe
whistorm [?\]\: what a game
Sipes [7k\]\: se says w + 47
broiler [5d?\]\: everybody who tells something about SE score should be banned
EdhelDil [6k\]\: wakes up n16 area + r14 area
mcw85 [7k\]\: SE is a damned full.
]
;B[rd]BL[957.272]C[Sipes [7k\]\: everybody who tells something about people who tell something about SE score should be banned
mcw85 [7k\]\: ... fool. ><
jodak [4k\]\: how about 03 then r3 for b
Koukkaaja [2d\]\: sipes geting banned soon
pilaf [3d\]\: at this siutation, maybe Q15
Rythmic [7k\]\: actually just checked and miao didnt say anything this game getting confused
Sipes [7k\]\: what's different between me saying that and him?
EdhelDil [6k\]\: the difference? him.
Shukai [1k\]\: its rankism
Sipes [7k\]\: probably
Sipes [7k\]\: awesome game though
EdhelDil [6k\]\: o15 p16 p14 q14 q13 ?
pilaf [3d\]\: what is the term used in India\:)
]
;OW[5]W[ri]WL[60]C[Shukai [1k\]\: curry?
PlumeMoi [1d\]\: s10
Rythmic [7k\]\: i think se is super useful to count fast\: you simply correct mentally the mistakes it does. At least it counts exactly what it shows!
pilaf [3d\]\: casteism
FlameBlade [-\]\: that's fine, but...Rythmic, SE sucks with area counting \:)
EdhelDil [6k\]\: ok; if r13 disappears, white + respect
pilaf [3d\]\: my R14 was bets move but w did not follow advice, lol
Rythmic [7k\]\: i dont know what you mean... it sometimes shows random black points in a sea of w, but you just correct it thats all
]
;B[qh]BL[860.615]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: and life and death mistake the same
];OW[5]W[mo]
WL[60];B[mn]BL[854.113]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: r3 ?s5 ?
];OW[5]W[rn]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: oh, i see
]
;B[hr]BL[840.829];OW[5]W[ir]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: like right now it's at least giving 20 points too much to w
]
;B[is]BL[833.287];OW[5]W[js]WL[60];B[hs]BL[828.796];OW[5]W[jr]WL[60];B[ci]BL[812.654]
C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: h6 sente
];OW[5]W[dj]WL[60];B[bh]BL[777.989];OW[5]W[di]WL[60]
;B[bi]BL[771.6];OW[5]W[cg]WL[60];B[gf]BL[761.727]C[oihkg\: w 80, b 70?
];OW[4]W[ge]
WL[60]C[fairgo1 [2k\]\: white behide by 12-13 points i think
fairgo1 [2k\]\: ahead*
fairgo1 [2k\]\: lol
FlameBlade [-\]\: think black has slight edge
thth\: s10
]
;B[hf]BL[682.236];OW[4]W[ff]WL[60]C[Novlaire [10k?\]\: When counting please note that they use nz rules
fairgo1 [2k\]\: oh
fairgo1 [2k\]\: is that the same as aga rules?
oihkg\: oh
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: yes
EdhelDil [6k\]\: n16 looks  big
fairgo1 [2k\]\: h18?
jSd [9k\]\: in aga
]
;B[rj]BL[624.963]C[jSd [9k\]\: captures count?
fairgo1 [2k\]\: of course lol
];OW[4]
W[rk]WL[60];B[qj]BL[598.992]C[iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: it depends
];OW[4]W[ib]WL[60];B[jb]
BL[577.038]C[fairgo1 [2k\]\: calvins gotten within 5 points \:)
];OW[4]W[md]WL[60]
;B[mc]BL[547.036];OW[4]W[le]WL[60];B[kc]BL[529.193]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: h6
EdhelDil [6k\]\: p14 
lepore [1d\]\: sorry who is white?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: Tiger Gong
]
;OW[4]W[of]WL[60];B[pf]BL[487.305];OW[3]W[nf]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: b14 big?
Serpentin [5d\]\: g6  is big sente for white
Rythmic [7k\]\: g6? wont b answer g5?
easytokill [1k\]\: no
Serpentin [5d\]\: g6 h6 
Rythmic [7k\]\: why?
]
;B[ne]BL[401.898]C[pilaf [3d\]\: i think w just made a mistake
easytokill [1k\]\: w can cut b group
Serpentin [5d\]\: if b try to catch, white will h6 
]
;OW[3]W[me]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: ok ty 
EdhelDil [6k\]\: s7 quite big now
pilaf [3d\]\: s7 gote=nothing
]
;B[mh]BL[342.01];OW[3]W[lh]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: a16 sente?
thanatos13 [12k\]\: no
fairgo1 [2k\]\: o5?
gochai\: r3
]
;B[hb]BL[249.844]C[Javaness [2d\]\: I am impressed by white's persistence
];OW[3]
W[ic]WL[60];B[ia]BL[246.927];OW[3]W[sj]WL[60];B[rh]BL[240.057]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: you had called it!
Rythmic [7k\]\: =p
Rythmic [7k\]\: almost
]
;OW[3]W[rm]WL[60];B[no]BL[235.909];OW[3]W[np]WL[60];B[po]BL[232.659];OW[3]W[op]
WL[60]C[fairgo1 [2k\]\: eh
whistorm [?\]\: very close game
FlameBlade [-\]\: hrm
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h6 
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: black h6 looks alright
]
;B[io]BL[172.029]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: ouch 
Serpentin [5d\]\: that's why h6 for white was big ...
fly [1k\]\: w h6 now?
pilaf [3d\]\: L6
]
;OW[3]W[ga]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: wh6 => j6
FlySpoon [3k\]\: ko
];B[ha]BL[157.723]
;OW[3]W[ea]WL[60]C[DonValley [-\]\: wow
Rythmic [7k\]\: thats for life?
Serpentin [5d\]\: yes
DonValley [-\]\: no
Rythmic [7k\]\: omg
Rythmic [7k\]\: i so dont see it!
DonValley [-\]\: b has a16 setne
DonValley [-\]\: sente
]
;B[da]BL[111.865]C[Serpentin [5d\]\: yes a16 should help ^^
Rythmic [7k\]\: but he has to d19 so w get a16
fly [1k\]\: ko?
DonValley [-\]\: then b b19
Rythmic [7k\]\: oh
]
;OW[3]W[ba]WL[60]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]\: wow
EdhelDil [6k\]\: meh.
DonValley [-\]\: wow
whistorm [?\]\: gee
FlameBlade [-\]\: ah, I see.  white wants to get rid of C14 in sente, I guess
]
;B[fa]BL[90.981]C[AroundOneD [2d\]\: f19 anyway
];OW[3]W[fq]WL[60]C[PlumeMoi [1d\]\: i love w style
DonValley [-\]\: flameblade, b19 loses more points
]
;B[fr]BL[73.772]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: yes
];OW[3]W[ea]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: flower ko?
FlameBlade [-\]\: this...shouldn't work.
]
;B[ad]BL[30.802]C[gojustingo [8k\]\: b18
Serpentin [5d\]\: a15 
EdhelDil [6k\]\: c19 ?
Andy1206 [2k?\]\: its gotta be a15
AroundOneD [2d\]\: no more ko
]
;OW[3]W[ae]WL[60]C[gochai\: still ko
];B[fa]BL[21.203]C[iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: g18 f19 g17 f16 then defend
Violence [-\]\: ko for seki?
Serpentin [5d\]\: ko for seki
]
;OW[3]W[hq]WL[60]C[AroundOneD [2d\]\: y
];B[gr]BL[8.69]C[fly [1k\]\: why not g2 before h3?
]
;OW[3]W[ea]WL[60]C[miao [5d\]\: ko for life
PlumeMoi [1d\]\: ko for seki right
AroundOneD [2d\]\: a18 for safety
Serpentin [5d\]\: b18 
Serpentin [5d\]\: and it's seki
miao [5d\]\: ok
AroundOneD [2d\]\: same
]
;OB[10]B[ab]BL[60]C[miao [5d\]\: not same
Serpentin [5d\]\: i don' read this sequence
gochai\: c19
PlumeMoi [1d\]\: c18
miao [5d\]\: oh it is
miao [5d\]\: sorry
Violence [-\]\: c18 b18 
AroundOneD [2d\]\: it's same to me
Serpentin [5d\]\: yes
miao [5d\]\: yes
Serpentin [5d\]\: same
miao [5d\]\: i misread
Violence [-\]\: Tiger's getting lower on time
Serpentin [5d\]\: c19 
Serpentin [5d\]\: for a sente seki
Serpentin [5d\]\: (ko sente seki)
AroundOneD [2d\]\: a18 better even
miao [5d\]\: gote no?
Andy1206 [2k?\]\:  i forgot my go terminology, sente = both survive?
Rythmic [7k\]\: i need a drawing
FlameBlade [-\]\: tiger in last byo
godfather1 [1k\]\: c19
AroundOneD [2d\]\: w has c19 and a18
godfather1 [1k\]\: sente
]
;OW[1]W[em]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: h6 h5 j6 ?
fly [1k\]\: heh
Serpentin [5d\]\: yes -> I go to sleep
Serpentin [5d\]\: xD
Violence [-\]\: and ipwn, instead of playing G17, black would want to play F16 so that B14 can save black's stone, I think
EdhelDil [6k\]\: g6 seems forced
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: ah thanks Violence.
fly [1k\]\: w angling for the whole center?
]
;OB[10]B[gn]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: huge reduction
Rythmic [7k\]\: no chance
EdhelDil [6k\]\: w only 1 group
Violence [-\]\: it doesn't look like black has enough
Violence [-\]\: white was taking this chance to count
whistorm [?\]\: `
Violence [-\]\: and it feels like white is comfortably ahead now
Serpentin [5d\]\: seki is huge ...
Rythmic [7k\]\: i dont even know status of tl corner now
Violence [-\]\: yeah, but I think white counted that he didn't need it to win
]
;OW[1]W[jo]WL[60]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: yep, white is winning
Violence [-\]\: So he's playing as if the seki doesn't matter
]
;OB[10]B[in]BL[60]C[whistorm [?\]\:                 10 
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: that's a silly way to play
fly [1k\]\: w winning by komi?
FlameBlade [-\]\: yes
EdhelDil [6k\]\: o16 
]
;OW[1]W[cm]WL[60];OB[10]B[bg]BL[60];OW[1]W[bf]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: b feeling agony\:)
]
;OB[10]B[fa]BL[60];OW[1]W[bm]WL[60];OB[10]B[am]BL[60];OW[1]W[ea]WL[60];OB[10]B[ip]
BL[60];OW[1]W[jp]WL[60];OB[10]B[fa]BL[60]C[fly [1k\]\: a4 interesting now?
fairgo1 [2k\]\: jigo score O_O
whistorm [?\]\: 01 y1ghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghghgh BN   \\
Rythmic [7k\]\: w lose on time searching for ko threat?
godfather1 [1k\]\: n16
Violence [-\]\: a4 a6 nothing, fly
godfather1 [1k\]\: o16
godfather1 [1k\]\: **
pilaf [3d\]\: A8
EdhelDil [6k\]\: o16 p16 p17 ?^^
]
;OW[1]W[ap]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: come on!
Rythmic [7k\]\: ouf!
fly [1k\]\: hee hee
fairgo1 [2k\]\: double ko?
Violence [-\]\: it's a ko threat, but
Violence [-\]\: there's nothing there but ko threats
fly [1k\]\: right
Violence [-\]\: if that's what you meant by interesting, then yes, it is
FlameBlade [-\]\: oh right, I keep forgetting that people don't really know J shape in the corner
Uberdude [3d?\]\: b never r3 =(
]
;OB[10]B[an]BL[60];OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: G17?
Rythmic [7k\]\: not over yet uber
]
;OB[10]B[dg]BL[60];OW[1]W[dh]WL[60];OB[10]B[fa]BL[60];OW[1]W[cr]WL[60]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: hrm
FlameBlade [-\]\: not sure this is a threat
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: it doesn't seem like this works
EdhelDil [6k\]\: it is
fly [1k\]\: a2 not alive?
DonValley [-\]\: yes it is a2
Violence [-\]\: yeah
AroundOneD [2d\]\: a2
Violence [-\]\: it's a threat
Rythmic [7k\]\: yes it's a threat
Violence [-\]\: if black had D1
Violence [-\]\: then it isn't
FlameBlade [-\]\: oh, silly me
Rythmic [7k\]\: seemed pretty riskless to say it now
]
;OB[10]B[ao]BL[60]C[whistorm [?\]\:        '  9' b9nb9也 。。 。
fly [1k\]\: hmmm a2 for ko now?
Violence [-\]\: I agree, whistorm
AroundOneD [2d\]\: no ko alive
Rythmic [7k\]\: ya good one whistorm
]
;OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]C[alter [1k\]\: plain dead
pilaf [3d\]\: w has two big threat reseved
]
;OB[10]B[qp]BL[60]C[RainierBob [2k?\]\: b2 instead of a5?
whistorm [?\]\: m 0,0   0,,,,0,00, ,\\
AroundOneD [2d\]\: w's a2 is ko for alive
Showa [6k\]\: is s17 a threat for w?
antiriad [1d?\]\: whistorm got it right
]
;OW[1]W[ro]WL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: there you got uber
];OB[10]B[fa]BL[60]C[DonValley [-\]\: aeroundoned, a2 b3 b4 b1 c1 b2 
EdhelDil [6k\]\: k16 
]
;OW[1]W[bp]WL[60]C[whistorm [?\]\:                                            vb vb         kk\]kk\] ,9666665555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555555553
whistorm [?\]\: 3
whistorm [?\]\: 3
whistorm [?\]\: 3
whistorm [?\]\: 3
whistorm [?\]\: 3
whistorm [?\]\: 3
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: what about a2 b1 c1 b4 ?
Rythmic [7k\]\: how true!
DonValley [-\]\: same
fairgo1 [2k\]\: black's going to lose this ko
DonValley [-\]\: dead
]
;OB[10]B[cs]BL[60]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]\: cat on keyboard or troll?
mcw85 [7k\]\: Whistorm\: I think you mean 96666655555532, maybe?
]
;OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: I don't think black will lose the ko
Rythmic [7k\]\: b got r3ish threats
]
;OB[10]B[fd]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: I think there are threats to live in R3
Rythmic [7k\]\: no?
DonValley [-\]\: dont feed the troll
whistorm [?\]\: my son
]
;OW[1]W[gc]WL[60];OB[10]B[fa]BL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: oh, he speaks english too!
shohho [3k\]\: your son is 9d
Javaness [2d\]\: Valley of SD
]
;OW[1]W[bs]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: lol
];OB[10]B[ar]BL[60];OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: who thought dead stones=some many threats
Violence [-\]\: Though I walk through the valley of the sudden death, I shall fear no flag loss.
mcw85 [7k\]\: Everyone who ever played go?
oskari [19k\]\: that's a lot of use from dead stones \:o
Rythmic [7k\]\: thats a ko for seki you guys said?
Violence [-\]\: yeah, it is
fly [1k\]\: That's it! I need to lose more stones!
Rythmic [7k\]\: can u tell me how again plz?
FlameBlade [-\]\: I fear that F16 may have lost some points for black
jSd [9k\]\: w+1
jSd [9k\]\: lol*
]
;OB[9]B[ca]BL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: fly, you got tht right, lol
];OW[1]W[en]WL[60]
C[thanatos13 [12k\]\: \:( no more ko
];OB[9]B[eo]BL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: why didnt w do whatever he had to for seki?
Violence [-\]\: this is a close game, but white ahead by like 4, by my count
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: doesn't seem like there was a seki
Rythmic [7k\]\: i smell some se
pilaf [3d\]\: d13
]
;OW[1]W[si]WL[60];OB[9]B[sh]BL[60]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: seki if w win ko
pilaf [3d\]\: \\q13 actually
]
;OW[1]W[sk]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: no more seki
Javaness [2d\]\: Mr Stay Puffed has nothing on Tiger Gong
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: am I missing something? white won the ko
Mihan [3k\]\: w probably realized he doesnt need ko anymore. 
]
;OB[9]B[nd]BL[60]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: b spent move
Mihan [3k\]\: ah true \:)
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: h13 
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: ok, so it was a seki threat, not a seki. thanks
]
;OW[1]W[og]WL[60];OB[9]B[pg]BL[60]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\:  at c19
subprime [4k\]\: two step ko for seki
]
;OW[1]W[fm]WL[60]C[fairgo1 [2k\]\: who's tigergong's next opponent going to be?
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: well, but black could always just back off
]
;OB[9]B[fk]BL[60]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: sure
MssrBlanc [3k\]\: sorry, I was just checking
Uberdude [3d?\]\: and lose points
AroundOneD [2d\]\: g7
AroundOneD [2d\]\: no
]
;OW[1]W[gm]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: ha
AroundOneD [2d\]\: too big for w
];OB[9]B[hm]
BL[60];OW[1]W[gj]WL[60]C[AroundOneD [2d\]\: b lost points
];OB[9]B[lo]BL[60];OW[1]
W[lp]WL[60]C[oihkg\: se funny
];OB[9]B[ll]BL[60]C[DSchlottBR [18k\]\: is r4 already dead?
]
;OW[1]W[lk]WL[60]C[subprime [4k\]\: oh yes
];OB[9]B[lm]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: wait...
fairgo1 [2k\]\: k16
]
;OW[1]W[dn]WL[60]C[pilaf [3d\]\: w now can give b reverse komi amlost
];OB[9]B[do]
BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: no...
AroundOneD [2d\]\: e9
Violence [-\]\: W+3.5 ish...
gochai\: k16 then e9
AroundOneD [2d\]\: e9
oihkg\: komi 7
fairgo1 [2k\]\: is SE accurate with new zealand rules?
iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: no
Javaness [2d\]\: no
EdhelDil [6k\]\: e9 yes
fairgo1 [2k\]\: how in accurate is it?
fairgo1 [2k\]\: inaccurate*
AroundOneD [2d\]\: e9 2 points
gochai\: k16 first
]
;OW[1]W[el]WL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: eh
];OB[9]B[hg]BL[60];OW[1]W[hh]WL[60]C[iPwnNoobs [2k\]\: it is not precise, so it can be any degree of accurate
]
;OB[9]B[ek]BL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: n13
];OW[1]W[ej]WL[60];OB[9]B[hl]BL[60]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]\: that's a terrible thing to say, Noobs
Greck [3k\]\: h5
gochai\: h5 0 point
AroundOneD [2d\]\: k16
]
;OW[1]W[ag]WL[60]C[MssrBlanc [3k\]\: I never understood how it would be wrong by more than one.  you can just count aga games with a pass-stone
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h5 is point when dame are played
whistorm [?\]\: .white won again
Violence [-\]\: W+3.5, I think
]
;OB[9]B[jd]BL[60]C[Andy1206 [2k?\]\: n13 black is for a point
Violence [-\]\: err... 2.5.
gochai\: white forgot k169
]
;OW[1]W[ah]WL[60];OB[9]B[ai]BL[60]C[countone [7k\]\: n13
];OW[1]W[af]WL[60]C[gochai\: a14 e15 d14 f15 
]
;OB[9]B[fa]BL[60]C[Javaness [2d\]\: hmm 
Shukai [1k\]\: can white win this ko now?
countone [7k\]\: sorry I was wrong
Shukai [1k\]\: looks dangerous
Sipes [7k\]\: b1
Uberdude [3d?\]\: e15 semedori?
Andy1206 [2k?\]\: how is n13 wrong, count?
]
;OW[1]W[gb]WL[60];OB[9]B[mg]BL[60]C[countone [7k\]\: yeah I'm tired
Violence [-\]\: W+2 at the very least
Andy1206 [2k?\]\: i think that move is fine
]
;OW[1]W[fe]WL[60]C[fairgo1 [2k\]\: this game was closer than tiger's game with bbw >.>
Violence [-\]\: no...
EdhelDil [6k\]\: h15 
]
;OB[9]B[ja]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: that game was by 1.5-2.5 too
];OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]
C[Javaness [2d\]\: who can stop Tiger Gong?
gochai\: h17
];OB[9]B[hc]BL[60]C[mcw85 [7k\]\: And BBW resigned? Such confidence in their counting. 
]
;OW[1]W[gd]WL[60];OB[9]B[fa]BL[60]C[jSd [9k\]\: me
FlameBlade [-\]\: Scorpion Gong?
]
;OW[1]W[cb]WL[60];OB[9]B[db]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: oh god
];OW[1]W[ea]WL[60]C[Uberdude [3d?\]\: asian medicine
FlameBlade [-\]\: this guy keep finding ko threats.
oihkg\: h5?
pilaf [3d\]\: LOL
Violence [-\]\: there's no way he has enough threats
pilaf [3d\]\: good name
Violence [-\]\: but he doesn't need them, I think
gochai\: h5 g5 f6
whistorm [?\]\: white is winning by 3.5 points
]
;OB[9]B[ph]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: 2.5 will be the result, I think
Violence [-\]\: Eh? what's this?
]
;OW[1]W[fa]WL[60]C[Tabemasu [6d\]\: How can black win this ko
Tabemasu [6d\]\: It's impossible
]
;OB[9]B[ng]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: really?
];OW[1]W[lf]WL[60];OB[9]B[pi]BL[60]C[Tabemasu [6d\]\: I think so
]
;OW[1]W[oj]WL[60];OB[9]B[qk]BL[60]C[Violence [-\]\: I must be on something then
Tabemasu [6d\]\: Then again
]
;OW[1]W[qm]WL[60]C[Tabemasu [6d\]\: You can give me 2 stones
];OB[9]B[ho]BL[60]
C[Violence [-\]\: looks like W+3
Tabemasu [6d\]\: So maybe you're right
];OW[1]
W[go]WL[60];OB[9]B[fn]BL[60]C[Rythmic [7k\]\: w+5!
Rythmic [7k\]\: Canada!
Javaness [2d\]\: the score estimator is reading a suffusion of yellow
]
;OW[1]W[pm]WL[60]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: w  + respect
];OB[9]B[hn]BL[60];OW[1]W[om]WL[60]
;OB[9]B[mm]BL[60]C[FlameBlade [-\]\: this upstart canadian is starting to annoy me
Shukai [1k\]\: wtb zchen next
]
;OW[1]W[nm]WL[60];OB[9]B[kn]BL[60];OW[1]W[ko]WL[60];OB[9]B[pj]BL[60];OW[1]W[he]
WL[60]C[gochai\: white doesn t like win by too much
Violence [-\]\: mmm... I guess it's 4.5
]
;OB[9]B[]BL[60]C[oskari [19k\]\: why are they filling?
tigergong [?\]\: ?
mcw85 [7k\]\: Area scoring.
Novlaire [10k?\]\: w doesn't want to humiliate beginners \:b
oskari [19k\]\: ah
wesley [7k\]\: 7 komi
]
;OW[1]W[]WL[60]TB[ka][la][ma][na][oa][pa][qa][ra][sa][bb][cb][kb][lb][nb][mb][ob]
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[rf][sf][qg][rg][sg][aj][ak][al][bo][ap][bp][aa][ep][aq][bq][cq][eq][fq][br][cr]
[er][as][bs][ds][es][fs][gs][cp][ba]TW[fd][de][ee][cf][df][ef][dg][eg][fg][jg][kg]
[fh][jh][ei][fi][hi][ii][ji][ki][jj][kj][lj][mj][mk][nk][rl][sl][dm][sm][sn][so]
[qp][rp][sp][jq][kq][lq][mq][nq][oq][pq][qq][rq][sq][kr][lr][nr][or][pr][qr][rr]
[sr][ks][ls][ms][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss][kh][mr]C[EdhelDil [6k\]\: BRAVO nice game
Andy1206 [2k?\]\: good game you two
pilaf [3d\]\: good game
kbag [6d\]\: thx
FlameBlade [-\]\: good game
Novlaire [10k?\]\: wtb tigergong vs. MilanMilan
au2 [2d\]\: good game players
whistorm [?\]\: wow, 4points 
arti [2d?\]\: which is the next match?
Javaness [2d\]\: O Canada! Our home and native land! True patriot love in all thy sons command.
tigergong [?\]\: thanks
Uberdude [3d?\]\: gg
pilaf [3d\]\: so ScorpionGong is crowned\:)
wesley [7k\]\: wtb?
oihkg\: long live the moose
EdhelDil [6k\]\: blame canada ^^
jSd [9k\]\: vous etes des kalaoui
EdhelDil [6k\]\: good game indeed
pilaf [3d\]\: somebody watched too much south Park
pilaf [3d\]\: I like Family Guy better
jSd [9k\]\: lol
jSd [9k\]\: a8
EdhelDil [6k\]\: i fart in your general direction ;)
wesley [7k\]\: bbw and him was interesting
jSd [9k\]\: is a point?
jSd [9k\]\: yes
EdhelDil [6k\]\: a8 yes, as a10 is an eye
Javaness [2d\]\: 聪明的松鼠
little23 [3d\]\: Javaness [2d\]\: 聪明的松鼠 ?
])